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Sens. Manchin and Toomey announced their ‘compromise’ on expanding background checks Wednesday, which, among other things, closes the “gun show loophole.” By law, all federal firearms licensees are required to conduct background checks for firearms transactions—even at a gun show. But gun control advocates repeatedly say that 40 percent of all gun purchases at gun shows are private sales and thus, not subject to a background check. Where are they getting this figure from and is it true?
this 40 percent figure comes from a 1997 report by the National Institute of Justice, a research agency within the Department of Justice, and was based on a telephone survey sample of just 251 people who acquired firearms in 1993 and 1994. This was years before the NICS system went into effect. Of the 251 participants, 35.7 percent said that they didn’t or “probably” didn’t obtain their gun from a licensed firearms dealer. Because the margin of error was +/– 6 percentage points, it was rounded up to 40 percent, although it could just as easily and legitimately have been rounded down below 30 percent.
In addition, if you subtract people who said they got their gun as a gift, inheritance, or prize, the number dropped from 35.7 percent to 26.4 percent. And, in terms of how many people actually buy firearms at gun shows, the data from this same survey indicated that in 1994, only 3.9 percent of firearms purchases were made at gun shows.
Is this not hard to understand...criminals will and most likely do buy a lot of their guns from these places or from the internet since there is nothing to find out if they are criminals
The Armory began as an offshoot of The Silk Road, notable as the Internet's foremost open drug bazaar, where anything from heroin and meth to Vicodin and pot can be picked out and purchased like a criminal Amazon.com. It's virtually impossible to trace, and entirely anonymous
Actual buyer must pick up from FFL dealer who will conduct the background check. Firearm transfer must be the actual transferee/buyer. Click here to see BATFE form- Firearm Transaction Record Part 1.
the ATF reviewed 314 investigations involving gun shows throughout the country. Felons buying or selling guns were involved in more than 46 percent of these investigations, and straw purchases, illegal sales, avoided background checks, and failure to keep accurate records were alarmingly common.
Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by neo96
Is there a point... you just called me a liar and said criminal cannot buy guns from the internet because it is hard to do.
In fact your exact wording "No person can buy a gun from the internet every single gun purchased are sent to local FFL's for pickup"edit on 12-4-2013 by kerazeesicko because: I CAN
Originally posted by kerazeesicko
I just don't understand gun owners. Are they retarded..do they understand that if a criminal wants a gun..the best way would be to go through private sellers...so they would not have to deal with the background checks and such.
Is this not hard to understand...criminals will and most likely do buy a lot of their guns from these places or from the internet since there is nothing to find out if they are criminals ...or just steal them from law abiding citizens.
Why do so many criminals have guns in America..because America is a gun worshiping country. So many guns out there...so many unregistered ones at that...so many unregistered guns stolen...etc.
NEED A GUN CRIMINALS..........AMERICA IS THE PLACE TO GET EM...
Originally posted by kerazeesicko
Why Universal Background Check May Be The Most Important Gun Control Measure There Isreply to post by jibeho
the ATF reviewed 314 investigations involving gun shows throughout the country. Felons buying or selling guns were involved in more than 46 percent of these investigations, and straw purchases, illegal sales, avoided background checks, and failure to keep accurate records were alarmingly common.
It's not that hard to understand...if criminals want guns..then go to a gun show...they don't do anything to make sure you are not a criminal.
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) published the "Following the Gun" report.[18] The ATF analyzed more than 1,530 trafficking investigations over a two-and-a-half-year period and found gun shows to be the second leading source of illegally diverted guns in the nation. "Straw purchasing was the most common channel in trafficking investigations."[19] These investigations involved a total of 84,128 firearms that had been diverted from legal to illegal commerce. All told, the report identified more than 26,000 firearms that had been illegally trafficked through gun shows in 212 separate investigations. The report stated that: "A prior review of ATF gun show investigations shows that prohibited persons, such as convicted felons and juveniles, do personally buy firearms at gun shows and gun shows are sources of firearms that are trafficked to such prohibited persons. The gun show review found that firearms were diverted at and through gun shows by straw purchasers, unregulated private sellers, and licensed dealers. Felons were associated with selling or purchasing firearms in 46 percent of the gun show investigations. Firearms that were illegally diverted at or through gun shows were recovered in subsequent crimes, including homicide and robbery, in more than a third of the gun show investigations."
Title: Following the Gun: Enforcing Federal Laws Against Firearms Traffickers Publication Date: June 2000 What does it say? In 1998, Congress asked the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) for a performance report on the Youth Gun Crime Interdiction Initiative (YCGII). In response, ATF Headquarters requested all ATF Special Agents in Charge to provide information on all firearms trafficking investigations in their respective areas between July 1996 (the commencement date of YCGII) and December 1998 (the end of the last calendar year before February 1999). A survey was sent to each Field Division requesting information for each investigation. The 23 ATF Field Divisions submitted a total of 1,530 reports on gun trafficking investigations. These reports represented only a portion of ATF's firearm trafficking investigations. The targets of the ATF trafficking investigations during this period diverted a total of 84,128 firearms from legal to illegal commerce. ATF found that corrupt gun dealers and gun shows were major gun trafficking channels
Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by jibeho
How is 2000?
About the report
Title: Following the Gun: Enforcing Federal Laws Against Firearms Traffickers Publication Date: June 2000 What does it say? In 1998, Congress asked the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) for a performance report on the Youth Gun Crime Interdiction Initiative (YCGII). In response, ATF Headquarters requested all ATF Special Agents in Charge to provide information on all firearms trafficking investigations in their respective areas between July 1996 (the commencement date of YCGII) and December 1998 (the end of the last calendar year before February 1999). A survey was sent to each Field Division requesting information for each investigation. The 23 ATF Field Divisions submitted a total of 1,530 reports on gun trafficking investigations. These reports represented only a portion of ATF's firearm trafficking investigations. The targets of the ATF trafficking investigations during this period diverted a total of 84,128 firearms from legal to illegal commerce. ATF found that corrupt gun dealers and gun shows were major gun trafficking channels
edit on 12-4-2013 by kerazeesicko because: I CAN
In a world where Amazon can track your next book purchase and you must show ID to buy some allergy medicine, James Holmes spent months stockpiling thousands of bullets and head-to-toe ballistic gear without raising any red flags with authorities.
Over four months, authorities said, Holmes received more than 50 packages at his Aurora apartment and the University of Colorado medical school, where he was studying neuroscience. As the boxes piled up, he began to shop for guns at sporting goods stores -- because of the need to pass a background check to buy a firearm, they are still generally bought at brick-and-mortar locations.