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(The Occupy movement) did show however that there are enough people, around the world, ready to get behind something and change it. They just need to figure out what they want first.
Which is why the second amendment has such teeth and why it should.
...the State throughout history has been essentially an organization of a segment of the population that forsakes peaceful economic activity to constitute itself as a ruling class. This class makes its living parasitically by establishing a permanent hegemonic or “political” relationship between itself and the productive members of the population. This political relationship permits the rulers to subsist on the tribute or taxes routinely and “legally” expropriated from the income and wealth of the producing class. The latter class is composed of the “subjects” or, in the case of democratic states, the “taxpayers,” who earn their living through the peaceful “economic means” of production and voluntary exchange.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by Itisnowagain
What does that mean to you? ^^
Did you choose to be programmed?
No one can deprogram their selves until they know they are conditioned (programed).
Perhaps you should watch the videos I posted.
One can only program himself. No one's forcing anyone to buy into a system they don't have to. Are people lead by some mystical invisible harness? Never. It is their choice, their motive, their accord. One can say no just as easily as one can say yes.
I would watch your videos, but first you must learn to embed them. It's really easy.
So did you not get sent to school? Did you not learn to get up and get out in the mornings? Did you not get conditioned with bells (like Pavlov's dog) at school?
Yes, the harness is invisible - so invisible that most do not see it.
You say that no one is forced to buy into a system they don't have to but you are born into the system and until you see the system you cannot escape it.
Imagine a baby being born - can the baby program itself?
The baby is born and it grows in the environment it was born into
the parents are already conditioned (programmed) by the system.
What choice does the baby have? Only when the baby becomes an adult and can work out what is actually going on can it then start to unravel the conditioning.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
So did you not get sent to school? Did you not learn to get up and get out in the mornings? Did you not get conditioned with bells (like Pavlov's dog) at school?
Yes, the harness is invisible - so invisible that most do not see it.
You say that no one is forced to buy into a system they don't have to but you are born into the system and until you see the system you cannot escape it.
Imagine a baby being born - can the baby program itself? If the baby was left on it's own, it would not be programmed, but it would die on it's own. The baby is born and it grows in the environment it was born into - the parents are already conditioned (programmed) by the system. What choice does the baby have? Only when the baby becomes an adult and can work out what is actually going on can it then start to unravel the conditioning.edit on 8-4-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
Great summary here, LesMisanthrope, and also a great opening post!
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
The Majority holds the power. Each and every time we see an entity such as a corporation or government being tyrannical, we are witnessing the failure of the majority to do anything about it.
I am not sure how much of your response is actually in reply to my post, so I am quoting above what I think your reply to my post is. The rest of your post seems more general, and I can certainly agree with much of it - though I am relatively new to ATS and have not ventured beyond the Religious and Philosophy sections, so I am not sure what to think of your general statements about many posting on ATS. (If your post was completely in response to my post, that would be good to know too.)
Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by bb23108
The reality is more nuanced than you would have us believe. The choice is not between individual impotence and monolithic unity. The reality of human society is creative tension: confrontation and interaction between interest groups.
If your post was completely in response to my post, that would be good to know too.
I was mainly pointing out that the FOUNDATION for this to be able to occur is that people recognize that fundamentally we all arise in a non-separate indivisible field of relatedness. When mankind's essential unity (indivisible light/energy or consciousness) is noticed and valued as the essence or base-reality of our existence here, then we can more readily be on the same page...
Otherwise, we en masse are just going to continue being self-deluded, self-obsessed egos with everyone tending to have their own agendas for seeking what they think will make them happy someday, rather than being already founded in one's inherent reality-based happiness. We see where our current "logic" has gotten us so far! The current approach to life, and especially the global religion of ego/consumerism is not working - but is causing massive problems throughout the world!
This is a spiritual matter that is beyond the individualism of the West or the collective forces of the East. Everyone's body-mind arises in a field of infinite unity. This can be felt as love, connection, non-separation, relatedness, etc.
Originally posted by Astyanax
I'm not sure what a 'non-separable indivisible field of relatedness' is. Certainly we are all members of the same species, and by and large we tend to interact with people from our own local and national cultures, so there is some common ground there too.