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What would you do? Try to walk in those described shoes and the path they are set upon without any control of the individual, forced to walk this path with compassion, and give some honest feedback about what could someone suffering this do? Who would you appeal to? How would you go about exposing what is happening to you, and finding the source in order to stop it?
Me:
I see your responses as picking apart something that was wholly intended to do the opposite. Leave the picking alone, assume it happens, suspend your belief for the purposes of healing. You continue to degenerate the discussion to tangential nitpicking, refusing to accept any logic you will not entertain regardless of its logic.
World domination and the domination and control of the populace must not be something you see as happening, or a goal.
You:
Sorry but this isn't your own little dictatorship where you get to tell other members of ATS what to do.
Me:
If you do not wish to participate in the discussion on that level, then leave it. You lost me with the romanticized anything once I described what the rape of the mind must be like and it should be the last sacred bastion of our lives and bodies as individuals. If you don't see the paramountness of that, and how offensive it is to suggest this is some kind of romanticization, we will never reach any agreement about much of anything, and I feel you have missed the point of the OP.
You:
I never said a mind rape is romantic. That is you twisting what I said. You painting the picture of the last stance of human beings to protect the last bastion of our lives and bodies as individuals is romantic.
Originally posted by Bleeeeep
reply to post by tetra50
I'm sorry, but I can't be any more clear in what I think is happening: It is “they”. The fallen ones. The angels cast down from heaven.
Your denial is expressed in your unreceptive rebuttals and in the very opening post of this thread. You are hostile to any conclusion that is not derived from technological thought propagation or the efforts of some special agency that targets random people.
Ilk may have been a bad choice of words, since it is often used in a derogatory manner; but I assure you, I meant no disrespect when I wrote it. I just meant the other people who have the same conclusions as you. It is easier for me, and you, if I repeatedly write ilk, rather than write: All the victims who believe they suffer from technological thought propagation and well choreographed stalking.
Further, I use other words like superficial in their naturally neutral form as well. If you see me say superficial then I am saying it in an atypical manner such as “the surface of an issue; something that is not the root of the issue”, and not the typical derogatory manner which is “stupidly obvious; vein opinion”. It's only because I have a lack of vocabulary, and not because I'm rude.
As for your answers to my questions: Although you asked us not to, I guess I should have started out by asking you what your symptoms were. And I'm sorry if it offends you, but it is the only way we can identify with what you are saying. Further, and mostly rhetorical for your sake: When you start to have experiences do you not then dwell and attempt to block them? If so, do you not suffer physical effects when you do so? Do you really not hear strange sounds? I have a feeling you are not being 100% honest.
If you insist that we must share you opinion. Then I must apologize, because I cannot do that. I have read over, and studied, far too many things that dictate, to me, that what is happening is not the superficial conclusions you have come to.
I'll just leave you be. Sincerely, good luck.
Originally posted by Dantose
[Continued from above]
One thing that really has me thinking though, is the marginal benefit to the perpetrator. Sure, one person loses the mental will or capacity to fight the machine. How big of a threat is that person? Certainly not big enough to merit a full scale infestation of resources into every aspect of the victim's life, right? Is the victim somebody who could possibly become a leader against the machine? Doubtful, seeing that seemingly random individuals are becoming victims; individuals that are not associated with leading even small groups. That led me to the thought of a deeper, but completely baseless, idea towards the spiritual/mystical. I want to stress that this is mostly fanciful and somewhat religious, meaning there is no science to it. Since so many people seem to be screaming about the end times, rapture, and yada yada, what if there was something deeper to it? What if there really is some good vs. evil motif? What if a clear and alert mind, coupled with meditation or spiritual reflection could lead to deeper insight on a spiritual level, and those that are ultimately seen as being threats are not true threats to the current political state, but a threat to a completely evil and truly devastating entity which some of the rapturists seem to belive that TPTB are trying to manifest?
One final thought to end on. One of my favorite quotes is from the game Skyrim. One NPC mentions to your character, "Remember, your mind is the greatest weapon you have".edit on 5-4-2013 by Dantose because: (no reason given)edit on 5-4-2013 by Dantose because: no raisin given
Originally posted by tetra50
reply to post by daskakik
First, I desire no "dictatorship," and find it incredibly amusing and ironic, given the nature of my op, that you would twist my reponses to this strange level.
If it does exist, then it being the last stance of humanity to protect the only sacred thing we have left, our minds, thoughts, intellect, would seem to make it exactly that, the last bastion of a battle for our inherent, God given rights as a form of life, born to, with hope, reach self actualization without interference
or control, directly of our thoughts, which allows for not only a complete control over us, but dictates of necessity being what it is, what our fates will be and how we will be defined historically and how our lives will progress or not. Romantic?
Sorry, I fail to see any romanticism about this topic.
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by Dantose
The idea in your post is what I believe Bleeeeep and Ophiuchus were aluding to in their posts. It isn't really targeting but rather the standard MO across the board. As I stated in a previous post, I don't think it falls in line with the OP. It wouldn't be a technological tool develped by men to control other men. It would slip into a different area.edit on 5-4-2013 by daskakik because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by tetra50
My first thought is-
This is why we have mental health professionals.
If one needs help, why go to an internet discussion forum??? Seriously! Few people here are able to be a constructive and receptive aid in such matters, and even if they are, by nature, this mode of communication seriously limits exchanges.
I do think these things can be possible: many things are possible. Some things really happen to some people, and the same things are imagined as happening to others.
One of the things a mental healthcare professional learns to do is suspend judgement and simply be receptive.
That is actually very hard for many people to do. Sometimes it is what we need most though.
Something my shrink parents explained to me long ago and that stuck in my head was that
Actually, a pretty significant percentage of child sexual abuse and incest cases are not real- they are false memories. (there are many psychological mechanisms that cause this)
But
When it comes to the victim, it doesn't matter whether it really happened or not.
Real or imagined, it has the SAME effects in the long term. The same psychologcial damage, blockages, fears, defenses, etc.
So unless the goal is to bring charges against someone, that is not relevant to their need for support and aid.
I always found this a rather important insight. It is applicable in so many areas, and becomes the very base of compassion. Someone whp believes they are in hell IS. And it is going to be a bit more complicated to get them out than to just tell them they aren't.
Sure, as you go down the road together, you might find more and more evidence as to whether it is real (in the objective sense) or not, but unless you are both walking that path together, it isn't going to do them any good.
Ah, I don't know. When I had strange experiences, I went to a shrink. I didn't ask strangers on the internet to help me. There are times when real human contact and presence is preferable to a computer screen.edit on 5-4-2013 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by tetra50
Perhaps I should reread my own op, , for i wasn't really going for any targeting angle at all here.
gang stalking and targeting individuals (for this is part and parcel and strongly linked in what I describe)
But then, there are more direct, personal, assaults, and the mechanics of which are quite deleterious to people who suffer from them, for whatever reason, and the nature of those mechanics make it almost impossible to prove or assert, though we have plenty of documentation, scientifically and "officially," that such mechanical methods are applied to the population.
So unless the goal is to bring charges against someone, that is not relevant to their need for support and aid.
Originally posted by Dantose
reply to post by Bluesma
Honestly, your advice is very good advice to somebody experiencing all of the symptoms of schizophrenia or similar mental disease. I do feel however that your response is off topic from the OP. Certainly, the first reply could have been "See a psychiatrist" and the thread could end there, but this is a hypothetical thread, in the gray area board. The OP did not say anything along the lines of currently experiencing these symptoms but only asked for a hypothetical discussion on the topic. The response you gave is a very wise, real-world response, but it doesn't answer any hypothetical questions or allow for discussion of other possibilities of the hypothetical nature of OPs topic. I truly don't mean to come off as rude, only clarifying the nature of the discussion.edit on 5-4-2013 by Dantose because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Bluesma
reply to post by Dantose
I was aware that it had evolved to focus upon the technological probabilities, but my post was a direct response to this one-
What would you do? Try to walk in those described shoes and the path they are set upon without any control of the individual, forced to walk this path with compassion, and give some honest feedback about what could someone suffering this do? Who would you appeal to? How would you go about exposing what is happening to you, and finding the source in order to stop it?
(I should have used the quote function to make that more clear)
This was my answer to those particular questions. They are what I would do, they are what I DID do, when I had experiences of abduction against my will.
When it comes to questions of mind control, and obstruction of personal will, the very first step is strengthening the will and self empowerment... and another person simply taking you seriously enough to be there and be receptive without judgement builds that.
"Exposing what is happening to you" begins with finding a suitable person to expose it to.
"Finding the source", I propose, is not necessary to stop it.
For example, I developed a technique which fought those moments when I was "paralyzed" and unable to oppose manipualtions of my body by the beings I percieved. As I observed a certain way of canalizing and focusing emotional energy had an influence on them and that experience, I worked on strengthening it until I could blow them off and release my body from the paralyzation. I taught my son to do the same.
Ultimately, I do not know if the "beings" were real (though they seemed so to my senses) or if they were hallucinations. It doesn't matter though. My technique was effective.
It could have been an effective way of waking myself from sleep paralysis, or overcoming temporary psychotic shifts with my mind -
or it could have been a way of blocking mind and body control from extra-terrestrial or multi dimensional beings.
It doesn't matter to me. That is my point about this hypothetical sufferer of mind control technology- they need help finding a way to fight this experience, not convince others of it!
edit on 5-4-2013 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)