Are you SERIOUS? What is WRONG with society?

reply to post by GrandStrategy



It probably wouldn't have been open to racism at all if the OP hadn't thrown in the "n word" for absolutely no reason at all. It didn't pertain to the story, but was thrown in there and opened the entire thread up for racism conversations. It's the OP's fault. If not for that mention, it probably wouldn't have come into the conversation at all since it has absolutely nothing to do with the story being told or the rant.

Originally posted by kthxbai

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I think I'm more shocked that the OP would have taken it for kids playing. I mean...umm..this happens in every city, every day. Videos right here show people being beaten for nothing, mugged for mere dollars or shoved onto subway tracks just because someone else was having a bad day.
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I agree. It's pretty shameful that he/she didn't take any action to stop it, let alone get online and tell people about his/her actions! Why on earth would "playing" involve beating someone??

The OP is guilty of the very thing he/she is trying to complain about.

As right as you are, there is no point getting onto the OP's back about it. His life events and his default statistics (genetic make-up) has lead him to choose not to help in that moment of time but to raise the issue to someone else. In a sense, it is not his fault purely. It would be more beneficial to the whole discussion to attempt to answer his question of why this is the case with so many humans, and why humans choose these routes of action in the first place.

Through that outlet we could instead help the OP understand his own actions better. Flaming someone for their choices often just illicits a defensive and close-minded response that leaves no room for retrospective analysis. Despite the fact that I believe like you he should of probably confronted the situation himself at least the OP brought the situation to the attention of someone else who he subconsciously decided was better suited for the job - most people would of simply done nothing at all, which is the point I believe he is making.

Originally posted by DazDaKing


As right as you are, there is no point getting onto the OP's back about it. His life events and his default statistics (genetic make-up) has lead him to choose not to help in that moment of time but to raise the issue to someone else. In a sense, it is not his fault purely. It would be more beneficial to the whole discussion to attempt to answer his question of why this is the case with so many humans, and why humans choose these routes of action in the first place.

It's not the first time that poster has done things like this. It's like the internet version of the Jerry Springer Show, just seeking attention any way she can get it. The pattern is easy to see very quickly.

In my own opinion, none of the things that are posted actually happen, she just makes them up as a way to swat at a hornet's nest and get others riled up to feed her need for attention.

Originally posted by kthxbai

Originally posted by DazDaKing


As right as you are, there is no point getting onto the OP's back about it. His life events and his default statistics (genetic make-up) has lead him to choose not to help in that moment of time but to raise the issue to someone else. In a sense, it is not his fault purely. It would be more beneficial to the whole discussion to attempt to answer his question of why this is the case with so many humans, and why humans choose these routes of action in the first place.

It's not the first time that poster has done things like this. It's like the internet version of the Jerry Springer Show, just seeking attention any way she can get it. The pattern is easy to see very quickly.

In my own opinion, none of the things that are posted actually happen, she just makes them up as a way to swat at a hornet's nest and get others riled up to feed her need for attention.

Lol @ internet Jerry Springer.

I am not aware of these other posts so I guess I can't comment further until reading them. However, I will say that if this person is in fact a female (sorry to keep referring to you as he/his!) it is more understandable why she raised the issue to someone else rather than tackling it head on. Most females I know would not interrupt a group of 4 males beating up another - as females have arguably an even stronger biological trait to avoid physical confrontation than males (especially regarding those involving other males, who are generally bigger/stronger and hence a logical threat in themselves).

By the way that above statement is not meant in any way to suggest females are inferior (you can never be too careful with what you say these days lol) but it is simply what I have witnessed myself and what makes sense from an evolutionary/instinct point of view. I've been in some #ed up pub/bar fights where I've seen numerous girls literally freeze and cry out of fear in the midst of it all despite punches, chairs and bottles flying about the place. People's actions are never 1-dimensional though, but some layers can be explained justifiably.

More details will be added to try to justify what was done and attacks will be made for people concentrating on race even though it was originally injected by the OP.

reply to post by svier

You didn't do anything to stop the beat down yet you come on here and complain that no one did anything? Guess what? You ARE the person you directed your objection to! You said there was a road right there with people driving by but no one stopped. YOU were RIGHT THERE?!?!?!? Maybe one of the drivers saw you and though "Good, someone's already there to stop it."

Excuse me?

I was not "right there," I was in the front of the store. I happened to see the ordeal from the main road when we approached subway, and I had my little brother with me. I had to take him inside because he had to use the bathroom.

He has severe ausburgers. Kinda didn't want to expose him to any sh!t hitting the fan.

Sure, you passed the responsibility of doing something to the next person but that's all.

And that's not doing something about it? Wow. You're brilliant.

I got attacked by a mob of drunken lunatics once not too long ago. I held my own as long as I could but it went on for 10-15 minutes. I was on my last reserve when FINALLY a guy stepped in and managed to stop these guys. Guess what? He was the smallest guy there but had the biggest set of courage balls I've ever seen. I thanked this guy like crazy. He literally saved me from a worse fate. I had some choice words for the people who did nothing. I still carry a nice scar across my elbow as a reminder of that night.

I'm sorry you went through some crap, and this might shock you--but you're NOT the only one. At least someone bothered to stop them when they jumped you, that's more than they did for me.

And I'm sorry if I don't have the "balls" your buddy had, but I'm a girl. I don't desire any balls.

Similarly, I had to do CPR on a girl a few years back. She collapsed during her sister's pre wedding party at my job. NO ONE DID ANYTHING so I did. I called 911 and did CPR on her for 5 minutes while 30 people watched and panicked. She died.

Good for you.

Don't get me wrong, I've broken up my share of physical confrontations, between friend's parents, cousins, and one of my friends even tried to kill another friend in front of me. Don't ever assume that I don't step in. You know nothing about me except what was presented in this thread.

I'm sorry if I didn't react exactly how you would approve of, but I'm not looking for your approval.


And to everyone else;

SHUT UP about the white vs black crap. That had nothing to do with my point.

My point is that society is made of ignorant retards who think jumping someone will get them a name in high school. That was the point. Alright?

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
And to everyone else;

SHUT UP about the white vs black crap. That had nothing to do with my point.

My point is that society is made of ignorant retards who think jumping someone will get them a name in high school. That was the point. Alright?

Did you read my post at all? Yeah, I talked about racism temporarily but everything I said links into the higher theme of the post regarding society. Why would you of even mentioned the point that they called him a N****r if you didn't want any discussion in regards to racism at all - it seemed like you were using it to lower the moral actions of those kids further. In fact, you've just defiled your own thread by claiming "society is made of ignorant retards who think jumping someone will get them a name". What is the point of being willing to raise questions about society when you then turn around and attempt to sum it up in one ridiculous statement full of assumptions that may not be correct at all. I was hoping you genuinely wanted an intellectual discussion on this matter, but it seems you have your own 'ignorant' (ironically) opinions already set in mind.

Perhaps kthnxbai was right.

Peace.

To everyone;

I agree. It's pretty shameful that he/she didn't take any action to stop it, let alone get online and tell people about his/her actions! Why on earth would "playing" involve beating someone??

Were you there?

Oh... no. You weren't.

You have no idea what I felt needed to be done, and what was going on.

The OP is guilty of the very thing he/she is trying to complain about.

Nope.

If the poster is wondering "what's wrong with people", he/she needs only to look in the mirror!!

I'm utterly disgusted

Seriously. After some bratty kids go and jump someone, there must be something wrong with the witness. Its the witnesses' fault. Or, perhaps its just that you're a troll on every one of my threads, whining about how I may not have handled the situation as well as the Messiah himself.

Get some perspective and stop trolling.

It probably wouldn't have been open to racism at all if the OP hadn't thrown in the "n word" for absolutely no reason at all. It didn't pertain to the story, but was thrown in there and opened the entire thread up for racism conversations. It's the OP's fault. If not for that mention, it probably wouldn't have come into the conversation at all since it has absolutely nothing to do with the story being told or the rant.

Completely wrong.

The kids who jumped this guy used the N word, I thought that might have had something to do with the story... considering it was PART of the story. Its not my fault everyone blew it out of context.

As right as you are, there is no point getting onto the OP's back about it. His life events and his default statistics (genetic make-up) has lead him to choose not to help in that moment of time but to raise the issue to someone else. In a sense, it is not his fault purely. It would be more beneficial to the whole discussion to attempt to answer his question of why this is the case with so many humans, and why humans choose these routes of action in the first place.

Through that outlet we could instead help the OP understand his own actions better. Flaming someone for their choices often just illicits a defensive and close-minded response that leaves no room for retrospective analysis. Despite the fact that I believe like you he should of probably confronted the situation himself at least the OP brought the situation to the attention of someone else who he subconsciously decided was better suited for the job - most people would of simply done nothing at all, which is the point I believe he is making.

You're right about the flaming thing, and again, I'm a female.

I had my little brother with me, made it a bit hard to do much about anything. I apologize, I probrably should have stated that in the original post, but I was heated when I made it.

It's not the first time that poster has done things like this. It's like the internet version of the Jerry Springer Show, just seeking attention any way she can get it.

The pattern is easy to see very quickly. In my own opinion, none of the things that are posted actually happen, she just makes them up as a way to swat at a hornet's nest and get others riled up to feed her need for attention.

Yeah? You're a liar.

Is that how you get your ego? Attempting to break down my stories and gossip about how you wrongly accuse me of lying? YOU are lying. YOU are spreading lies. Not the other way around.

When I see or think something that I believe is worth sharing, I share it. And its a RANT forum.

You really have no right to whine about me ranting in a rant forum.

Oh... but then again... I guess you're only supposed to post things on ATS that others WANT to see, and that people like you approve of. Silly me.

More details will be added to try to justify what was done and attacks will be made for people concentrating on race even though it was originally injected by the OP.

And it was blown out of context by everyone here. Oh... but silly me. That's all my fault too.

Did you read my post at all? Yeah, I talked about racism temporarily but everything I said links into the higher theme of the post regarding society. In fact, you've just defiled your own thread by claiming "society is made of ignorant retards who think jumping someone will get them a name". I was hoping you genuinely wanted an intellectual discussion on this matter, but it seems you have your own 'ignorant' (ironically) opinions already set in mind.

You're gonna tell me that society doesn't contain retards who attack others to get a name for themselves?

Look at some of the comments and tell me where you see potential for an intelligent conversation. You can call me ignorant all you want... don't care. I've been called worse things by better people, not that they were right.

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX

Did you read my post at all? Yeah, I talked about racism temporarily but everything I said links into the higher theme of the post regarding society. In fact, you've just defiled your own thread by claiming "society is made of ignorant retards who think jumping someone will get them a name". I was hoping you genuinely wanted an intellectual discussion on this matter, but it seems you have your own 'ignorant' (ironically) opinions already set in mind.

You're gonna tell me that society doesn't contain retards who attack others to get a name for themselves?

Look at some of the comments and tell me where you see potential for an intelligent conversation. You can call me ignorant all you want... don't care. I've been called worse things by better people, not that they were right.

edit on 4-4-2013 by XxNightAngelusxX

No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

Of course society contains people like that, as well as a whole myriad of others. I am not calling you ignorant as a person, but I am saying you are being slightly ignorant this time. It is never wise to just brand people into boxes, that is a sign of lack of understanding. I just think it is easy to jump the gun and call these kids 'ignorant retards' because they beat someone up but like I say no action is ever as 1-dimensional as it seems. There are deeper roots to their actions which is what I partially tried to explain in my original reply to this thread (which I'm still not sure you've read lol!) and that is the encompassing problem with society.

Also, "by better people"...really? Who are you to judge who is 'BETTER' than me (such a powerful word mind you, I would love to know in what sense they are superior to me). I have not once said you are better or worse than anyone in this world yet it is you, who is playing the moral ground very strongly with this thread, who decides to do so! That is exactly what I meant when I said I think you are being slightly ignorant here.

I don't care about the other comments; I replied originally to YOU specifically. It is your choice to have a discussion with me or not, but that should be based purely on MY comments and not those of others - surely?
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