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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by adjensen
So when you tell your kids to do the right thing, you're really telling them to do something that is impossible?
So the Christians who were being persecuted decided what would go I to the bible before Constantine ever canonized it?
What about John's gnostic writings? Why weren't they included in the official canon if someone other than Constantine's people decided what made it into the bible?
Since the Earth has not disappeared, that means nothing has passed from the law.
A flat disc.
People knew the earth wasn't flat.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Lucius Driftwood
A flat disc.
People knew the earth wasn't flat.
I don't think your quote supports your argument.
A curious example of this mistreatment of the past for the purpose of slandering Christians is a widespread historical error, an error that the Historical Society of Britain some years back listed as number one in its short compendium of the ten most common historical illusions. It is the notion that people used to believe that the earth was flat--especially medieval Christians.
It must first be reiterated that with extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat.
This belief about the physical body of Jesus ascending into the heavens was more readily acceptable back then given people believed the earth was flat
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
The subject is more complex than what is evident from that one quote.
I didn't say He wasn't complete, and the term mature implies there was a point He was immature. That I would reject.
If you want to get a grip on it, there is a very thorough explanation that takes up an entire big fat book called:
Paul and the Stoics, by Troels Engberg-Pedersen
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical
In that situation, I would assume you were wrong about the Earth passing away. Are you trying to say Jesus was wrong when he said the Earth would pass away? Because it obviously didn't.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Who legalized Christianity and put the NT together?
If he or his people didn't decide what went into the bible then why are so many books written by apostles of Jesus left out? If early Christians decided what went into the bible, the Gospel of Thomas would have been included. Why would they reject a book written by one of Jesus' closest apostles?
But you think the law ended with Jesus? How is that when Jesus said it would not end until the Earth disappeared?
Who legalized Christianity and put the NT together? Constantine. If he or his people didn't decide what went into the bible then why are so many books written by apostles of Jesus left out? If early Christians decided what went into the bible, the Gospel of Thomas would have been included. Why would they reject a book written by one of Jesus' closest apostles?
This makes a lot of sense. My studies have indicated that the common belief at that time was that the earth's surface was flat and that the depths of the earth were dark, and there was a crystal vault that encapsulated the earth's surface on up to the sky and stars. The stars suspended from the top of the crystal vault and God resided above this vault and stars.
Originally posted by eight bits
reply to post by eight bits
In contrast, the cognitive illusion that the Earth is stationary is hard to overcome without an understanding of Newton's Laws, which were unavailable to Galileo and not at all obvious to the ancients.
Thank you for that analysis and clarification. And yes, it still fully supports why the physical ascension of Jesus was readily acceptable at the time.
Originally posted by eight bits
In the stationary Earth system, everything you see in naked eye astronomy was thought to have its proper "shell" about the Earth, so Jesus need only ascend past the starry shell, and he's home. A moving Earth has no shells around it, and a lawful physical ascension wouldn't have an end point.
Originally posted by Akragon
none the less... At least Thomas can be compared side by side with the gospels unlike anything else in the NT
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by NOTurTypical
technically 1st and 2nd peter wasn't written by him either... dictated perhaps
none the less... At least Thomas can be compared side by side with the gospels unlike anything else in the NT
Originally posted by bb23108
reply to post by adjensen
I am not sure if you missed my reply to you or if I missed your response - or if you are not responding for some other reason.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by bb23108
reply to post by adjensen
I am not sure if you missed my reply to you or if I missed your response - or if you are not responding for some other reason.
Yes, I ignored it, because a) it's off-topic and b) it gets tiresome replying to the same old claims in the same old fashion because, as was noted as regards Paul and Jesus contradictions, all of this has been brought up before, there are reasonable responses to all of it, so it's a bit pointless to debate.
At any rate, you can find my response in numerous other threads, this being the most recent.