Bill Clinton apologizes for MKULTRA on tv, page 4

reply to post by Afterthought

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See, but once you nod there to that concept of "alter personas," you are showing your understanding of how all that works enough to know that it may, at this point, be extremely difficult to determine who is whom, who are the sick and psychopathic, and who were/are the victims of what transpired and continues......


That, in my opinion, is part of why it continues, and also a visible proof of the mastery of the puppeteers and their success.....because what they have done so very well, is sat in the shadows and pointed fingers, and manipulated everyone to judgement, and used that situation to "unify," with the emotion of hatred. This does not create unity, though, and cannot possibly lead to stopping or even stemming the tide of pain all this has and is causing. It only guarantees a continuation. If the right perpetrators were named, identified, known...in other words, if the answer to was really that obvious and beyond any reasonable doubt, this would have been stopped long ago.

I am just looking at your emoticon of rage, and gently reminding that this emotion was what was always the goal of these projects, and that we must all be careful about judgement, because of the complexity, the technology and your own words, that have always been a very pivotal part of ultra, monarch, etc., and guaranteed its continuation: alter personas. It is no longer possible, IMHO, to determine identity. The more technology thrown at and devised and purported to "reveal," and make transluscent so one can be sure who is whom and did what or is what, has done the exact opposite.

reply to post by tetra50

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Yes, I'm angry for what these psychopaths have done to innocents and innocence. I won't quell my anger either. THEY are the ones who need their stupid Cremation of Care ceremonies and theatrics caught on audio documenting what goes on inside the Skull and Bones society. If Yale had any stitch of dignity, they would dismantle this fraternity.
Getting rid of fraternities would be a great place to start if this is all to be brought to an end. This is where the sickos meet other sickos aside from their own family units.
Thanks, but I'll be as angry as I want about this. I don't know how to end it and a release of energy is healthy. All I can do is spread information and educate as many as possible about their demented practices and Nazi operations. Sure, there's going to be some that self-destruct because of it, but I don't see what else can be done. People just have to be aware that if they believe they know someone who has been MKed to not discuss this with them as it will lead down a dark road they are not qualified nor prepared to encounter. They must understand that they will do more harm than good. These sick psychopaths have a way of programming a "spy" alter who remains just under the surface who can listen to everything the core personality says. If the core personality reveals any sensitive information, the "spy" alter will rat on them.
This is all extremely technical and unbelievable, but people need to understand and not think they can counter this head on with a suspected victim.

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by tetra50

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Yes, I'm angry for what these psychopaths have done to innocents and innocence. I won't quell my anger either. THEY are the ones who need their stupid Cremation of Care ceremonies and theatrics caught on audio documenting what goes on inside the Skull and Bones society. If Yale had any stitch of dignity, they would dismantle this fraternity.
Getting rid of fraternities would be a great place to start if this is all to be brought to an end. This is where the sickos meet other sickos aside from their own family units.
Thanks, but I'll be as angry as I want about this. I don't know how to end it and a release of energy is healthy. All I can do is spread information and educate as many as possible about their demented practices and Nazi operations. Sure, there's going to be some that self-destruct because of it, but I don't see what else can be done. People just have to be aware that if they believe they know someone who has been MKed to not discuss this with them as it will lead down a dark road they are not qualified nor prepared to encounter. They must understand that they will do more harm than good. These sick psychopaths have a way of programming a "spy" alter who remains just under the surface who can listen to everything the core personality says. If the core personality reveals any sensitive information, the "spy" alter will rat on them.
This is all extremely technical and unbelievable, but people need to understand and not think they can counter this head on with a suspected victim.

OHHHH, YEAHHH. You nailed it right there from the "thanks, but I'll be as angry as I want..." on.....
I am not dissuading your anger, per se. I agree. And I too, feel I have the right, even responsibility, to be just as filled with rage.....and unfortunately, I absolutely am. The problem is, it isn't getting me anywhere. It's just another tool of manipulation used against me, just as every positive aspect of my character has been used the very same way......

I don't have much contact with very many people, at all. But I watch this happen every single day to people, just running errands, watching interactions between people on the street, etc. And especially on this communication device, the computer. For all I hear people speak of the huge tool of manipulation that television is, this device we are using right now to share our perspectives is the same, and much more. I say that knowing what flaming will occur as a result, as people hold this machine as virtually sacred these days. It literally has become the neon god referred to in "The Sound of Silence." And this machine is, was, and always will be an integral part, even goal, of all the "projects" we are discussing in this thread.
More than anything, my reply above cautioning about judgement and rage is about pinpointing responsibility, so that this will stop and there might be some justice. But, a huge factor and consequence of these projects was layer upon layer, and a virtual chain of alternates replacing alternates, etc. so that eventually we would stop seeking meaning as a species, because when that happens no matter what physical state we occupy, chained to a wall for instance, we are then completely and totally enslaved, speaking in terms of our consciousness.
And this was always the ultimate goal. The whole point was always technological singularity, with the only point left for individuality was for someone to blame.
Now I'm rambling and getting into layers of this I did not intend to.
I do not mean at all to disrespect your feelings in the sense that I am not understanding of your rage. I feel the very same. I am cautioning, only, that it is another means of manipulation and to be very careful about discernment when judging where to point that loaded gun of rage, because determining truth in a sea of lies has become so very difficult, almost imossible.
The nature of the environment that has been created via ultra and the rest is a culture of success and survival dependent upon being willing to take that from some other life. And beyond that, actually taking pleasure from that savage and brutal fact. The other day, on another thread, unrelated, someone wrote something to me about the travesty it was that we are living currently in a situation where we are realizing we do not actually know any longer where we are or what we are, really. It so struck a chord in me I can't even express it. I couldn't have said it better, and it so expressed how I feel for ALL of us stuck in that no man's land, every day, wondering how to stop this loop of insanity we see, feel and try to fight.
By all means, my friend, be angry, do not stop your awareness or compassion for the innocents and innocence that is suffering as a result

reply to post by tetra50

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I understand what you're saying, but anger is a great motivator if used properly and directed wisely through the proper channels. When I first heard about MK Ultra and mind control, my curiosity caused me to research further. The more I learned, the more disgusted I became. Of course, disgust turned into anger, which led me to trying to educate as many people as possible about these atrocities. I don't get angry about many things, but I feel passionately about helping to educate people about this and what it's doing to society on a very large scale. When I mention it to people I meet in person, they sometimes glaze over or say that they don't believe it, but I don't get angry with them because it's a lot to wrap your mind around. I'll just drop small clues about where they can find info about it, but I'm not pushy about it. I love it though when I meet someone who already knows about it and can get into an in depth discussion about it.

I wish I could tell you more about the deprogramming, but all I know is that it's nearly impossible if the victim has been deeply programmed and their core personality has been fractured extensively. Even those who are educated in deprogramming cult members are no match for an MK victim. All I can suggest is to read Fritz Springmeier's books. I've read three of them and he discusses the difficulty of deprogramming because of the different layers and triggers involved. It actually takes years to deprogram someone, but you can never be truly sure that they are completely healed because there may be a hidden trigger programmed into them that can be used to reel them back in. He does say that the most dangerous part of deprogramming is the self-destruct trigger that will cause the victim to commit suicide if they reveal the smallest amount of the programming.

Your average person who has been programmed by the TV and radio on a general scale is easier to deprogram of course, but I'm talking about the adults who were kept in cages as children and electrified and fed feces as well as other heinous treatments that often involve bestiality when they are as young as four years old.

I wish these sick programmers and handlers didn't breathe the same air as you, I, and my pets, but they do. They don't even deserve the same air that roaches do. The main issue is just to keep exposing them and know that truth and goodness will prevail.
Here is an article I read today about a couple who were arrested for planning on opening a day care center just so they could drug and sexually abuse the children and BABIES. Maybe this couple isn't actual elite handlers, but to get the elite to fall, we must pull the lesser monsters on the bottom until we get to the top. Hopefully the smaller fish will rat out the ones they know of and those can be arrested, too. At least these two sickos are now off the street, but there's so many more out there that are way more protected and harder to arrest and prosecute like the rich elite.
Just keep fighting the good fight!
Here is the article I was speaking of:
usnews.nbcnews.com...

In one recorded conversation, Baslan allegedly told the informant about drugging children before abusing them: "Trust me, all what I'm doing, nothing is going to be, no memories, nothing."

reply to post by tetra50

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That thread is very interesting. The man who posted it was very earnestly and clearly troubled by what he had seen. I started dipping my nose into the whole affair while researching another program entirely. I was aware of MK-ULTRA at the time and found myself looking at a peer-reviewed academic education journal called the Gifted Child Quarterly and an article, titled "Hypnosis and Creativity" from 1965 where the author, Dr. Stanley Krippner, was extolling the virtues of '___', hypnosis, and post hypnotic suggestion. Ring a bell? Sure rang a bell for me. For educational purposes, here's a couple snips as the article is on academic lock down here: gcq.sagepub.com...
(if there is a problem with sharing this, mods please edit it out--thank you):

In this instance, it would appear that the "insight" phase of the creative process had been successfully stimulated by hypnosis and '___'.

Essentially, what I realized there was that the subject matter of MK-ULTRA ('___', hypnosis and post-hypnotic suggestion) was being presented as a possible creativity inducer in a journal that is very specifically for children in elementary to middle school age. Wow, right?. '___' was the new wonder drug so it's hard to say whether it was a direct offshoot of MK research or if it was an indirect side effect of MK research. It still is a massive indicator as to how far reaching the effects of the MK program quite possibly were if they were potentially being implemented, in an experimental manner, on school children.

Another quote from Krippner's article, Hypnosis and Creativity:

"In your normal state it might take you the best part of half an hour to solve. But now you distort time to the point where one minute is subjectively the equivalent of thirty minutes. Then you set to work on your problem. Thirty subjective minutes later it’s solved. But thirty subjective minutes are one clock minute.... You can imagine what happens when somebody with a genius IQ is also capable of time distortion. The results are fantastic!"

This time distortion is an effect that is presumed to exist when the subconscious is dominant (think of how a dream can feel long but may last minutes to understand this). He's quoting Aldous Huxley here in his discussion of potentially subverting the normal cognitive process in regards to time for potential beneficial use in children. It's a quote to give you the flavor of how its being pushed in the field of education in 1965. These are just some very small clips from what is actually an 8 page long article basically extolling the virtues of '___', hypnosis and post hypnotic suggestions in children. Whether it was actually implemented or not, I do not know. However, I do know that another individual in a dominant position within the gifted education field, John Gowan, was also discussing the usage of hypnotic trance in gifted children, discussed the use of '___', psilocybin, and other "drugs" in a technique that he called "developmental forcing". He actually reports a dissociative "not-me" state of negative effect happening with a young child at stage III in his book, "Trance, Art, and Creativity". (no direct link but publicly available for download here: www.johnagowan.org... Was formally on CSUN.edu's site but was taken down ) Pretty disturbing and I almost wonder if this is the aspect that Morrison was avoiding.

The discussion of strange loops kind of made me laugh a little. I do believe a strange loop exists here. Charlotte Iserbyt is so close but then spins it all away in the totally wrong direction. Like I said, whether or not these specific interests were directly involved with MK, I do not know. There is no discernible evidence directly linking the two and there is that distinct possibility of it being "inspired" off of MK research. When you keep in mind those 80 universities, medical schools and etc, it really is a major indicator as to how widespread the MK research was. The bigger it gets, the greater the chances of bleeding through into other areas of research or into the public (ie Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters). The gifted education twist on this could have simply been vying for a government contract for an ill-funded educational program for all I know. I try to stay pragmatic because it is potentially volatile.

reply to post by tetra50

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Instead of getting mad I invented a counter measure for one of there psychotronics attack system. So far I have cured 16 people by interfering with what is called a BIORELIVENT FEEDBACK LOOP. All of these people had a ringing or screeching sounds in there ears that absolutely destroyed there lives. My invention only cost 99 cents to build and is an indication that we CAN DEFEND OURSELVES with out lowering ourselves to there violent level.

reply to post by supergravity

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Nobody is speaking about anger leading to violence.
The people you claimed to have cured aren't true MK victims. They would be dealing with more than just ringing in their ears. They may have been victims of electromagnetic frequency attacks, but I seriously doubt that they were mind controlled slaves as MK was designed to create.
Remember, anger is a natural emotion. You can allow it to control you or it can be used as a tool towards more constructive means. The ones who don't feel anything towards what MK has done are the true zombies who have been successfully manipulated into a mind numbed state and have been desensitized to the violence and horror involved.

reply to post by Afterthought

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MKULTRA does exist and hurt innocent people.

The media never talk about it.

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
reply to post by Afterthought

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MKULTRA does exist and hurt innocent people.

The media never talk about it.

I'm very well aware of that. Have you been reading my posts?
I've researched it extensively and have no doubts that it's still in use today and of course the media isn't going to talk about it. They are under the thumbs of those who are directly involved in it.

Check this out!
In today's news:
"Report: Growling escort repeatedly bit man’s genitals, tried to gouge eyes out"
www.wftv.com...

"It's like a man yelling. I don't know who, it's like someone growling. Oh my God! Somebody is screaming. It's a lady. You need to hurry up!" a caller said to the 911 operator.

The report stated that the victim took her to dinner and then checked into the hotel room where they smoked marijuana and snorted Ecstasy.

Since she seemed sane while they were at dinner, I'm guessing the drugs, or possibly the combination of the particular drugs, triggered her programming. Or maybe it was something he said. It wouldn't be too difficult to have a sexual word or phrase as the trigger to bring out the animal alter in this situation.

Investigators said that when they arrived at the scene, they found Vaughn naked, growling and covered with blood.

There was also blood on her mouth, the report said.

The victim's wounds were so bad that deputies said they believe Vaughn's intention was to kill him.

This is just my opinion, but it appears as though her alter is a crazed animal that is trained to kill. This man is lucky to be alive. I guess he won't be picking up any prostitutes online any time soon!

This situation reminds me of all the so called bath salt attacks where the people turned into vicious animals and growling while they attacked people by biting. Are these the new super soldiers who are programmed with various triggers to initiate their animal alters who are trained to kill? Makes sense to me because it's too easy for the cops to write this off as a cause of drugs and the public believes this explanation without question.

Please see this article by Vigilant Citizen to get a much better idea of how an animal alter would be programmed into a person. Please be sure to read the entire article to achieve full comprehension.
vigilantcitizen.com...

reply to post by Afterthought

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Your statement that the people I have cured from electronic attack are not mk ultra victims seems to me your jumping to conclusions before you here all the info.From my research they are testing many different systems, maybe thats what you where trying to say.
I have concluded they are using long distance super conducting quantum interference detection devices(squidd) in satellites to sweep entire population getting all biorhythms and brain wave data and using a large MAGIC TREE made of supercomputers with multiple HEADS in parallel to rebroadcast back to the targets to intercept and alter the thought process.
My invented sound contaminates the biorelevant data STREAM and they cant seem to filter it out ,in turn they lose valuable REAL TIME CAPABILITIES and the target is finally given relief from this external destruction.

reply to post by supergravity

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I understand what you're meaning, but it might be an offshoot of MK or a subprogram, but what you're describing is irritating to people, but not programming. It might be being done to drive them crazy, but MK and its sister programs are designed for creating sex slaves, assassins, and manchurian candidate types for special operations.
Unless there are MK victims who have been programmed to change personalities or be triggered to kill when they hear such frequencies, then we might be looking at an actual MK situation, which I won't rule out. I just haven't read about such instances. From what I've learned tones and frequencies are usually only used as triggers when they can be controlled and directed to a specific individual. They might call them on the phone and sound the tone when they answer so that the alter persona emerges and the core personality goes under.
It's a very scary idea to think that they might have programmed groups of people with alters who emerge when they hear or sense an electromagnetic frequency. My mind wanders to a zombie apocalypse scenario where a whole mass of people are triggered to become flesh eating zombies when they're triggered by the frequency you're describing. Scary thought indeed and I certainly won't rule it out. I'm just saying that I haven't read anything about it. You may be onto something though.

reply to post by spooky24

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Yes the Internet has a lot of dis-information ,thats why I use info on mind control from real sources like the patent for generating and controlling emotions by the largest electronics maker in the world NEC.
I also read the scientific journals where they describe influencing the billions of brains of the earth is now feasible and how this can be accomplished with out meditation using electronic stimulation of the brain.
We only use 10% of our brain and it seems the governments (corporations) of the world want to seize the other 90% to do there wildest fantasies on us for profit.They are also fascinated with changing sexual behavior AND THE BIGGEST ONE removing human nature from the thought process and inserting there own approved behaviors that feed the coggs of a controlled society.

reply to post by Afterthought

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Here's a thread that actually gives detailed specs of one of the electronic harassment type weapons that are used you should have a look at it....

www.abovetopsecret.com...


But i know what you mean by MK-Ultra the basic monarch program that Fritz Springmeier wrote about....

reply to post by King Seesar

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They can record brain waves wile poisoning a victim and then broadcast them to any brain they want and that brain perceives IT IS BEING POISONED and overcompensates to death,at the autopsy there is no evidence of the crime.

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