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Originally posted by Templeton
reply to post by Akragon
You say that reincarnation is possible because literally all things are possible by God. I challenge your commitment to that stance.
Can God create a mountain so large that he himself cannot move it?
Originally posted by ProfessorChaos
reply to post by Akragon
Your post is an interesting play on words, but by stating that to deny the existence of reincarnation is to deny that with God all things are possible is incorrect.
Just because God COULD allow reincarnation to occur, does not mean that he does. Meaning that yes, with God, reincarnation is indeed possible, since He can do anything, yet it does not occur because he does not allow it to. Therefore, from the Christian perspective, yes, I can deny that reincarnation exists.
And as scriptural evidence denying reincarnation, here it is: Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."
This was while Jesus was on the cross with the two criminals and after one had heaped insults on him and the other had defended him. All three were about to die. If they were going to be reincarnated, Jesus would never have made the statement that he did regarding entering paradise.
John 10:9
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Originally posted by ProfessorChaos
reply to post by Akragon
John 10:9
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
When a person goes in on one side of a door, does he not come out on the other side of it?
Originally posted by ProfessorChaos
reply to post by Akragon
"Pasture" in that verse refers to being kept safe, not starting a new life.
Originally posted by ProfessorChaos
And please don't take my responses as being overly curt. (I'm typing with a 3 month old in my lap).
There are references in the Bible of the Apostles stating that some believe that Jesus was one of the prophets returned, so, the idea of reincarnation was certainly adhered to by some in that culture, I simply deny it based on the words of Christ and my understanding of them.
Originally posted by ProfessorChaos
reply to post by Akragon
Ah yes, but to continue that thought, if you exit one area, you are entering another. Are you not?
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by ProfessorChaos
reply to post by Akragon
Ah yes, but to continue that thought, if you exit one area, you are entering another. Are you not?
Yes... but when you enter the action is to go in...
Not out... which would be exiting
This is in response to your scriptural post.(didn't want to quote it all).
When Jesus had spoken these words, the dead did not go to Heaven at the time of death, they went to Sheol. His death and resurrection was what brought those that were worthy to Heaven. (This is my understanding at least.).
The above also answers the question of "What happened to all of the people that didn't follow Christ before he came to earth to begin his ministry?". They were saved at the time of his death.
So, it is correct that no man had seen heaven at the time that Christ spoke those words, barring perhaps Elijah and and possibly, Enoch.
I would say that you are performing two actions at the same time when going through a door, exiting and entering.