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Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by InnerPeace2012
"fulfillment" is a subjective term. Different things may be "fulfillment" for each person. You would need to define what "fulfillment" is because you make the claim that " humility leads to greater satisfaction/fulfillment"...
Originally posted by OuttaHere
Humility is considering the needs of others before one's own because you recognize their basic human dignity as equal to your own. Pride is considering one's needs above everyone else's.
Humility is being willing to serve others whether you are a person of high social standing or not. Pride is demanding others serve you. Again, it is an issue of your regard for human dignity as a separate entity from wealth or professional accomplishment.
Humility is giving the best seat to someone else. Pride is demanding the best seat in the house. If it's all about YOU, then you are being proud.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by arpgme
Humility is not to be confused with humiliation. It's being true to one's self AND the other both. It's the only decent way to be. To lose one's humility in favor of pride would be like losing one's sense of humor.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
It's good to hold yourself in a high regard, but erroneous to hold yourself in the highest regard. And it is a fools errand to seek superiority against others. It is wise to seek superiority in your ability to work as a team which involves knowing your place in the hierarchy which requires humility. Pride and humility are both appropriate, I think, but it is harmful, probably, to not know when which one is appropriate.
Originally posted by Wang Tang
If on the inside I hold myself in the highest regard, then I am proud, correct? If I hold myself in the highest regard, but don't blatantly make it known to others, then I am being humble, correct?
What I'm trying to say is humility is only an expected set of behaviors, nothing more. Pride is something much deeper.
In my opinion everyone tries to imply the word "humility" has a deeper meaning than it actually has. I'm not a fan of people blindly favoring a baseless set of behaviors in humility over the tried and true power of pride.
Now if this thread has taught me anything it is that there is a difference between inward pride and outward pride. Few people have a problem with people being inwardly proud, and quietly confident. More people seem to have a problem with the behaviors exhibited by abundant pride.
Well then, it seems to me it is not pride that is bad, but certain behaviors that follow from pride.
Your heart is where it counts. You hold yourself in the highest regard in your heart, so then you are a fool.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by TarzanBeta
Your heart is where it counts. You hold yourself in the highest regard in your heart, so then you are a fool.
Since we're talking about the interior:
The organ which pumps blood throughout the body is important, but is not where notions of pride, humility and "truth" exist. One cannot hold anything in regard in the heart—only blood.
Let's pretend we understand at least a little of the human anatomy before we try to talk about the interior—which I might add is still one and the same as the exterior. We are talking about humans, not specifically the insides of humans.
Still talking about the flesh.
How do you consider yourself educated? You don't think very deeply.
The heart is the depths of the mind. The brain does not contain the mind, but lends to it. The spiritual heart is what gives us our mind, our reason, and our spiritual understanding. The brain merely interprets these things; but then also, so does the heart. Or have you not read how some have lived with a heart, and no brain? But no one lives without a heart; the brain cannot sustain.
But then what kind of a life is it to have no brain? But then, isn't this most people? Aren't most just walking dead; waiting for the time of the end because they process nothing and do not pay attention?
But then, what kind of a life is it to have a brain, and no heart? You are already dead.
What is humility?
Humility is a set of self-depreciating behaviors exhibited by someone who has accomplished enough to have the right to be proud. Humility has no deeper meaning, all it is is a foil to pride; without pride, humility does not exist. Humility makes one seem less important and less dignified than he really is, and gives the perception that someone wants less credit than he is due.
Writing God off as nonsense is the most foolish of scholarly mistakes. Even ill-fools without the ability to read know that God exists. You don't exercise what intelligence you have very well at all.
But it's not entirely your fault. You worship high imaginations and sciences that have given way to certain astounding things in this world; and the reason why you worship these things is because these things make the universe to appear within your control to document and eventually to manipulate; but not by will of Another, but by your own will, as you please, in what manner you choose.
The only problem there is that you have 7 billion people (for now) against which you strive for this same power. Quite a power struggle that is. You say God is nonsense; and yet you wish to be God.
So you wish to be nonsense?
Your wish is your command I suppose.
Why don't you burn the books in your mind and go back to wisdom; wisdom you had when you were a child. I think you will remember you were much more free then.
What if you are indeed one of God's chosen? What if you are one of His children? How long will you wait to answer the call? And then if intelligence is yours, it will be given to you a hundred fold. You would more than put me to shame, if it was given to you.
But it is not yet given to you, because you cannot see past the skin. You forget that there is marrow and there is a center to the marrow. You think you know; you think you know that the "God particle" has nearly been proven now. But the reality is, what makes up the "God particle"? For we know that if something has structure, it can be halved - do we not? So then if the "God particle" is a particle, what is it made of? How deep can you go? Will your science help you prove it? Or do you have a mind to see it and understand it?
But you don't. Nope, still not yet. Because you are more interested in the proof than the pudding. But without the pudding, where would the proof be? Your pride interferes with your ability to see. It does not magnify your vision by any means.
Originally posted by tetra50
reply to post by Wang Tang
Although I mostly agree with your definition of humility here, I think it is deeper than that. I see humility as a realization that we are more alike than not; that i am not better, nor more deserving than you, or some guy living on the street. I see humility as a sort of check and balance system for our self worth, as compared to others....for we all have value, just as lives, dealing with much of the same pain, reliazations, and complexities of life we all must experience just to be alive. I also see humility as a recognition on a very deep, important level, that regardless of achievement, intelligence or lack thereof, we are (ostensibly) all human beings, trying to ake our way in the world we didn't make, but must endure regardless.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Wang Tang
Therefore, a healthy pride in a job well done, provided one doesn't seek their own glory, is synonymous with true humility.
edit on 12-3-2013 by NewAgeMan because: (no reason given)
This is an extremely wise comment and dinstinction, and one that had not occurred to me, frankly.
I would argue that what you have described as humility, being in touch with humanity, that is a view often expressed by people that are humble, but it is not humility.