Man Demands No Black Nurses Touch Newborn, page 2

Skittle

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 03:31 AM

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Makes one wonder if he would request the same thing if he was on the brink of death.

timetothink

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 03:35 AM

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No, he doesn't have to leave.

He has the right to choose who cares for his child.

My question is.....how did this really play out?

Did he say flat out, no AA nurses with my child?

Or did AA nurse see tattoo, cop an attitude and man requested another nurse?

Two sides to every story.

But bottom line, freedom means nobody should be forced to interact with anyone they don't want to.

And I am not a bigot, but a defender of freedom, so don't jump to that conclusion.

timetothink

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 03:41 AM

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Since when do we have to follow a code of political correctness?

Who made that up?

We still have constitution that gives us freedom to choose. It doesn't matter if its a public hospital, you have a right to choose your caregiver.

We do not have to give up our rights or change our views because it hurts someone's feelings.

benrl

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 03:54 AM

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this is very simple.

The man had a right to make the request.

The hospital had the right to ignore the request (and some would argue obligation to ignore).

The hospital being a public institution has to follow equal opportunity laws when they apply, that means they can not discriminate based on race.

The hospital chose to honor the patients wishes, over the laws they are required to follow, the rub will be in how they chose to follow the wish.

They could of made it known to the nurse that Patient A father, was a bigoted jag off, and had made the request, and asked if any nurses would like of their own volition to honor that.

If they didn't than well the nurse might have a case.

Kandinsky

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 03:54 AM

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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

It's an Onion story - a satire.

It does raise questions of where rights and responsibilities fall out and start beating on each other. Does a father have the right to raise a child as a Nazi racist? Does he have a responsibility to let the child choose their own path when they're old? He has a right to refuse non-white medical care, but the staff have a responsibility to provide care.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Kandinsky

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 03:54 AM

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duped again!

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MidnightSunshine

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 03:54 AM

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I say if you want to be a racist, don't do it half arsed. Find a hospital that employees only the race of nurses you require, or deliver your future racist yourself.

It's a public hospital, you get the nurse on duty.

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timetothink

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 03:56 AM

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reply to post by benrl

The law applies to the hospitals practices as far as employment, not a patients request as to who gives care.

The patient is not bound by that law.

silo13

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 03:58 AM

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reply to post by Kandinsky

It's an Onion story - a satire.

That's what I thought too - but - it was 'backed up' by the Washington Times

???

peace

benrl

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 04:00 AM

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Originally posted by timetothink
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The law applies to the hospitals practices as far as employment, not a patients request as to who gives care.

The patient is not bound by that law.

Which is why it would matter how the hospital responded, If my job is to do A. and a customer wants me not to because of my protected class (race in this case) My employeer have a choice to make, they could Ask me nicely not to do job A and go do job B for a bit, or they could force me to.

At the point they forced me to I would have a case for discrimination, its all in the implementation of fulfilling the request.

silo13

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 04:03 AM

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www.washingtontimes.com...

That case is now a federal lawsuit. In a statement earlier this week, Hurley President Melany Gavulic denied Battle’s claim, saying the father was told that his request could not be granted. Gavulic said the swastika tattoo “created anger and outrage in our staff,” and supervisors raised safety concerns.

Let me see if I can get even more info.

And to answer another question asked here - concerning did the man pointedly ask first or did the nurse see the swastika first. Read below for the answer. Pretty outrageous if you ask me.

She said she introduced herself to the man and he said, “I need to see your supervisor.” That supervisor, Battle said, told her that the father, who was white, didn’t want African-Americans to care for his child and had rolled up his sleeve to expose the swastika.

peace

MidnightSunshine

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 04:04 AM

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I've found through my life that women with large breasts give the best care to infants. They are usually more caring and defiantly more comfortable for the baby while being carried. My wife has large breasts so that's what my baby will be used to.

This is a formal request that absolutely NO FLAT CHESTED NURSES provide care to my newborn.

Thank You

MidnightSunshine

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 04:04 AM

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hmm it posted twice

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timetothink

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 04:04 AM

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reply to post by Kandinsky

The onion made fun of a real story.

p.washingtontimes.com...

Mich. hospital, nurses settle discrimination suit

This is what I find more disturbing.....reverse discrimination is ok.

Another study she cited found that patient requests for care by a physician are most often accommodated when made by racial minority patients. Read more: p.washingtontimes.com... Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

CX

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 04:10 AM

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Originally posted by hawkiye
Sounds to me like this nurse saw a free pay day because this guy was an idiot and the hospital settled because it was cheaper then fighting it and dragging their name through the mud. She is not much better then the racist for taking advantage of the hospital in a precarious situation IMO.

Personally i'd give the woman a raise for being mature and professional enough to still want to carry on her duty for a skinhead, despite what they feel about others.

Look up the words "pathetic" in the dictionary, and you will find a picture of a skinhead.

CX.

SaturnFX

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by samuel1990
Lets hope his kid doesn't grow up to be like him.

Not much of a choice there. His early influences are going to be the klan. a newborn with a life sentence already. Trash breeding trash.

I would have told him he does not decide how the hospital operates, and he can take his trash and deliver the thing elsewhere...in some toolshed or outhouse..whatever they got at their trailer park and be off...or shut up and accept the service given.

ladyteeny

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 04:19 AM

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the hospital should stick by its staff. they are trained professionals. compared to an ignorant racist man. in the uk the baby might be on the social services 'watch' list because of his requests. if it was up to me i'd remove the baby from his influence so he/she doesn't grow up like him, and i'd make it clear that racism is no longer tolerable in the 21st century. disgusting state of affairs usa.

Kandinsky

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 04:25 AM

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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Aha, thanks for the Washington Post link. It's a complex matter isn't it?

I tend to think that when medical staff have their scrubs on, they must remain impartial to politics and 'be the adult' in situations like this. The duty of care was to the child, not the neo-Nazi father.

On the other hand, in a hospital, should staff 'enable' extremists to influence their best practice? Sadly, we've had cases where kids have died because their parents were opposed to blood transfusions on political, religious or idealogical grounds. So where would they draw the line? Again, somebody has to 'be the adult.'

One of the nurses said:

“She said, `You know what really bothered me? I didn’t know what to do if the baby was choking or dying. Am I going to get fired if I go over there?’” Pabst said. Read more: www.washingtontimes.com... Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

Then there's the real possibility that an aggressive patient or relative might get violent:

“Maybe their explanation is an accurate description of what happened _ the supervisor was scared of the father of this patient and made a decision that was ill-advised,” Gable said. “It might have been the right thing to do for the safety of the staff, and it still might be a violation of anti-discrimination laws.” Read more: www.washingtontimes.com... Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

Regarding the Law Suit? It's easy to recognise that the nurses might have felt devalued and unsupported by their bosses. But, 'in the scrubs' isn't the place to be fighting religious, idealogical or political battles. 'Being the adult' means letting overgrown children have their way if it's in the best interests of patient care.

It's complicated isn't it? None of it would have happened if the neo-Nazi guy wasn't demanding special privileges.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Exitt

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 04:37 AM

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I guess he is in his right to request such a thing just like the massive culture shift in Europe where muslims are requesting only female doctors and nurses at birth. They are not breaking any law.
Just like we have the right to say they are all dumb morons and perhaps request a law change

andy06shake

posted on Feb, 24 2013 @ 04:46 AM

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I am in no way condoning this half-wit Nazi racists insecurities.

I do however feel the need to point out Muslims are just as bad, they wont let caucasians touch there dead, even to bury them.

We all bleed the same colour, time people released this and rid themselves of there racial and religious insecurities!

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