let me first start by saying this is a direct response to twitchy, who invited me to come to this particular thread to "have a look-see at anything
there I have posted which you might find to be innaccurate" after i called him on several pieces of misinformation and a downright lack of knowledge
about air traffic and the faa:
Originally posted by twitchy
Tell you what lad, You can believe anything you like, looking to me for proof is your bad though. I've done most of my 'half-assed' research on
9-11 for ATS and added it to this thread...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Feel free to have a look-see at anything there I have posted which you might find to be innaccurate.
now at first, i had absolutely no desire to take his challenge considering that he didnt even know that the faa is the governing body of the air
traffic control system. but being a truelly addicted ATSer, i just couldnt resist. so i went to the thread in question and read 44 flipping pages of
mostly grown adults telling each other how stupid they are.
now, i am no structural engineer, and i have no desire to get into the whole "what caused the collapse" argument, but i do want to point out that
twitchy directed me to this particular page to back up his "research", so i read it all.
guess what? he mentions some of what i called him on, but no sources for any of it! big surprise! i personally believe that he figured i wouldnt
take the time to read all 44 pages and was safe in just flat out lying.
anyway, lets go through what i did find in my are of expertise that was innaccurate (since he invited me to do just that):
page 2:
Originally posted by twitchy
The thing that really got to me was one of the employees of the ATC from the airport took the tapes of the communication between the pilots and tower
and "pulled the tape out and cut it into shreds and put them in seperate trashcans" this by his own admission.. WHat the hell??
while partly true, twitchy does not give you the full story. the destroyed tape was actually a copy of the original digital recordings that the
controller in question made for his own personal use (presumably as a memento of the day). management found out about the tape and destroyed it on
the spot.....the originals were never touched and are this day sitting at fbi headquarters. you see, by law air traffic tapes are recorded on a 24
hour basis and held for 15 days. if there is an incident, they are held indefinitely.....i think 9/11 counts as an incident, wouldnt you say?
The jets that hit the WTC flew over some of the most prolific stretches of military complexes in our nation and not a single air craft was scrambled
even after the the planes were known to be hijacked.
while i cant completely fault him for this one because the norad tapes have only recently been partially released, we all know from
this thread that this statement is incorrect.
Another thing, cell phones don't work very well at 30,000 ft where some of the calls were made.
complete horse hockey and thouroughly debunked in
this thread.
did you happen to notice that
absolutely nothing that he asserts from this page has a source of any kind, even though he made it clear that all
his resources were on this particular thread?
page 6:
Originally posted by twitchy
If we don't get the answers now, we never will. Our children will learn of these matters in schools a hundred years from now the way our children
are fed the story about the american indians giving us the land we inhabit. Kids know who Squanto and Miles Standish were, but they never heard of
Wounded Knee or the Trail Of Tears.
umm, i learned about the trail of tears in the 7th grade....a whole quarter was devoted to it. learned about wounded knee in US history my junior
year in high school....where did you go to school twitchy?
page 8:
Originally posted by twitchy
You say that the guy that ran around cutting up tapes from ATC adn depositing them into seperate trash cans was bad judgement?
already shown above to be a falsification of the facts to fit your thesis.
pages 16 and 17:
Originally posted by twitchy
Air traffic control notified NORAD that the planes had been hijacked and Norad sat on their arses ALL MORNING while planes slammed into landmarks,
then oddly enough refused later to comment on disrecpancies in their own timelines, Passing the respnosibility of scrambling fighters from Rumsfeld to
General This or Commander That.
while they did refuse to comment on discrepancies in the timeline, aircraft were scrambled, they were just sent the wrong way, as shown in the norad
tapes thread that i sourced above.
The average passenger on board isn't likely to know if a pilot or a fly by wire system is operating the aircraft. In the 1980's, in the wake of
several hijackings, they instituted a system in commercial airliners that would would allow control of these aircraft from an external source. The
system is pretty much impossible to override once it has been initiated.
The fly by wire systems can be initiated from the FAA and were implemented for just such an event
i actually laughed out loud when i read that. first of all, fly by wire is a phrase that denotes aircraft which are computer controlled, instead of
being regular stick and rudder type aircraft. in other words, instead of cables running directly to the controls, the pilot controls the aircraft
through the on board computer which uses mechanical means of moving the control surfaces.....a method that is in use on most modern commercial
aircraft and all modern military fighters.
there is no buck rogers we can control the aircraft from the ground sytem installed on any
commercial airliner in the world. it has been discussed as a possible safety feature to be added to future aircraft, but at this time
there is no
such thing.
it is possible the system was 'hacked', but more likely a scenario is that they were overridden from an external source IMO. American AWACK aircraft
have this capability, and really, anyone could for that matter given the right equipment or access. The implication is either the system was
compromised as you suggest by the terrorists, which is highly unlikely if you know much about the systems, or that the system was overridden which
would be indicitive of an inside operation.
see above.....and twitchy, how about a source for this? i would love to know what idiot is trying to sell this as reality.
page 27:
Originally posted by twitchy
Odd, but I have yet to see any mention from any of this to suggest what happened to the Fly by Wire systems which have been in place on airliners
since the 80's. Only Airports and American Awacks have that capability that I know of.
and there you go with that fly by wire crap again.....with no sources as usual.
as i said, i know nothing about structural engineering so i didnt bother to check any of your "facts" on that. however, i think i have done a fair
to midlin job of showing that the "research" you have done in my area of expertise, which is air traffic control (i have a pilots license as well),
is pretty much a complete figment of your own imagination. as i mentioned in the previous thread, i see no reason to listen to anything else you
might have to add on 9/11 or any other subject as you have repeatedly shown that your "research" is nothing more than pulling whatever crap out of
your butt you can to fit your theories.
can't forget the molten metal! 