You are all evil Capitalists!!

While Capitalism/profit has many flaws and needs some work,(a lot of work) It apparently does not occur to the majority that the enjoyment of their retirement depends on Capitalism/profit. That 401k retirement account is money that you put into the stock market in most cases. Without profit your money does not grow. You might as well shove it under your mattress. Instead of attacking Capitalism you should be cheering it on while at the same time reforming it carefully. When Capitalism is dead so is your retirement. If you think the paltry sum the government will allot you when you retire will be just peachy, think again.

I am not saying that it is a perfect system, it most assuredly needs work. There does need to be some checks and balances put in place. A complete ban of profit is just handing money to the government that will have bulging pockets while you starve.

reply to post by jimmiec


well that would depend on the nature and motivations of the governing body that was in charge. obviously i cant pick -any- examples of an overall benign and generous governing system out of my hat to use as an opposition to that.

all governments suck bumholes if we are honest about it, it's just a shame the world is such an unbalanced lump of rock that "our" pension funds are part of what keeps other parts of the world poor

reply to post by jimmiec


I don't get it.... Where's the Evil?

Capitalism is a piss poor system. Associated with Slave labour, brutal poverty, disregard for the environment, bought governments, Class system, Uneven distribution of wealth which is justified because apparently 'X' worked harder than 'Y', Poor product performance (built badly so that it is replaced much quicker)

The people who benefit from the system are a small number of elite, who make sure the best education is off limits to the average joe, ensuring only their offspring are able to also profit from the system. It has brought LESS choice to the consumer and made wages less competitive.

But most importantly of all, Capitalism is not sustainable.

I, for one, would like to see a fairer system so all 7 billion people in the world have a fair chance.

Governments are made up of people. Therein lies the problem with any system/form of government. People are inherently greedy. There is no perfect system. Capitalism is perceived as evil because people are involved. It is not the system that is evil. It is in fact some of the people involved in it, that take unfair advantage of it which causes the perception that it is evil.

reply to post by jimmiec


The only reason we hear a lot of criticism about capitalism is because pseudo intellectuals are parroting what they've heard from Marxist professors and talking heads.

Truth be told, we are seeing crony capitalism; a bastardized form of capitalism that we've allowed the elites in business and government form. True capitalism works just fine. Corrupt people who have circumvented the safeguards we have in place are the reason we have the corruption we see today, not because capitalism is fundamentally flawed.

S&F

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Amen brother. Capitalism has served us well in the big picture. It just needs a little house cleaning occasionally.

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


Capitalism = Slave labour?

Ask the proletariat who lived in the Progressive Utopia; Workers Paradise of the USSR.

What happens when you run out of other peoples money? Who pays for your State provided hovel & daily turnip?

You do, by being forced to work at the point of a gun.

Capitalism is voluntary, people are paid based on the value they provide to a given business situation.

Want paid more? Make yourself more valuable. You can do it. Or choose not to. That's voluntary.

401K ha thats a joke What extra money I get goes into my gas tank. I make less now then I did in 1994 when gas was $0.99 a gallon.

There is a difference between true free enterprise and monopolies, between abundance and scarsity.... We're in the monopoly system of slavery.

reply to post by wantsome


You know someone who has a 401k, Someone in your family has a 401k. It does effect you irregardless of whether you participate or not. If those people lose their 401k the government will have less money to distribute.

Originally posted by TheWrightWing
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

Capitalism = Slave labour?

Ask the proletariat who lived in the Progressive Utopia; Workers Paradise of the USSR.

Dont need a time machine. Can go and ask the slave labourer's in china. Can go ask the one's in many more "developing countries"

What happens when you run out of other peoples money? Who pays for your State provided hovel & daily turnip?

As i remember it, the banks ran out of other peoples money and then stole off of the majority. They love a abit of socialism when SHTF it seems.

You do, by being forced to work at the point of a gun.

I pay for my poorly built hovel by working for poorly paying capitalists. Dont patronise me.

Capitalism is voluntary,

Of course, people work # jobs for # money because they enjoy it. How else would they want to spend their lives?

people are paid based on the value they provide to a given business situation.

So, someone who sits in a factory 12hrs a day making garments provides NOTHING of any worth, therefore they are worthless and furthermore, should be paid only a small "wage" so that they may barely survive and literally, live to work? Gotcha.

Want paid more? Make yourself more valuable.

Cant afford an education? Learn to do tricks maybe. Your master might appreciate the effort.

You can do it. Or choose not to. That's voluntary.

Well, those millions of people must be pretty stupid then if they're STILL working for poverty wages. Why dont they unionise? Oh yeah, factories wont let them. Why dont their elected governments help them out? Oh yeah, they're corrupted by big business. Why doesnt the consumer try and do something? Oh yeah, because people like you believe these other people are worthless human beings who's only purpose is to make sure you have all the little luxuries a good slave is rewarded with.

Capitalism, Its obviously amazing.

Originally posted by wantsome
401K ha thats a joke

What extra money I get goes into my gas tank. I make less now then I did in 1994 when gas was $0.99 a gallon.

edit on 7-2-2013 by wantsome because: (no reason given)

Capitalism, Dont you love it? Not about service. Not about supply and demand. All about profit.

Who cares if you need cheaper gas? The providers to your needs want more profit. Screw you, you're no one! You dont matter! Profit matters!

Originally posted by jimmiec
While Capitalism/profit has many flaws and needs some work,(a lot of work) It apparently does not occur to the majority that the enjoyment of their retirement depends on Capitalism/profit. That 401k retirement account is money that you put into the stock market in most cases. Without profit your money does not grow. You might as well shove it under your mattress. Instead of attacking Capitalism you should be cheering it on while at the same time reforming it carefully. When Capitalism is dead so is your retirement. If you think the paltry sum the government will allot you when you retire will be just peachy, think again.

I am not saying that it is a perfect system, it most assuredly needs work. There does need to be some checks and balances put in place. A complete ban of profit is just handing money to the government that will have bulging pockets while you starve.

I think we need to establish a mission statement and define goals.

We need to identify optimal outcomes and see if we are all on the same page.

Do we want the system we have that allows a few to get rich selling gimmicks, with nothing vital or essential to either prosperity or happiness provided? This also results in a Nation overrun with poverty, a poor infrastructure, poor mass transport, a pitiful slide to 20th in education, even lower numbers in infant mortality, life expectancy, health care, ...or Do we want to build a country of reasonable prosperity for all, with the things we need to live healthy and happy lives made available for all - not just the few, the privileged or the very lucky?

Once we decide if individual success or corporate success is the most important thing we will get somewhere as a nation rather than act as host for mega giants who squeeze what blood they can get out of us and then move their operations and spending overseas leaving America (ie the rest of us) holding the bag.

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No, we don't want the unintended consequences of any system. The inventor of the "pet rock" would tell you the system works overall. No system is without flaws. That cell phone you have would not exist without Capitalism. It has it's benefits. Greed should be the primary focus if we want reform. Not the elimination of profit. If we hand over all profit to any government we will starve.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
(A series of random excuses as to why someone can't better themselves.)

No system is perfect, but when it comes to fairness and providing the most benefit to the most people, free market capitalism is much better than the alternatives.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by wantsome
401K ha thats a joke

What extra money I get goes into my gas tank. I make less now then I did in 1994 when gas was $0.99 a gallon.

edit on 7-2-2013 by wantsome because: (no reason given)

Capitalism, Dont you love it? Not about service. Not about supply and demand. All about profit.

Who cares if you need cheaper gas? The providers to your needs want more profit. Screw you, you're no one! You dont matter! Profit matters!

capitalism is what created the boom in the country in the late 1800's. its what made all goods and services you have today!

WOW, here you are, on a computer created by capitalism, complaining because your gas, that is made for you from another country halfway around the world, refined, shipped, and trucked into your local gas station, so you can conveniently drive down the street and pump it into your car, cost to much. WOW

dont buy it, make your own if you hate capitalism so much. Get off the internet and computer and make your own.

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


China is a capitalist nation now, are they? Funny, the citizens who are forced to live and work in government facilities might disagree. They'll come around eventually.

The banks for were forced to lend to broke people, under the name of Social Justice (Another word for imposing Marxism on the Free Market with the intent to collapse it)

That this collapsed the economy is a surprise to no one, especially those who anticipated that very outcome. This is what happens when Gov't interferes where it has no business.

Perhaps you should try working for well-paying capitalists for a change? Or risk your capital yourself and start your own business. See how easy it is to become wealthy for yourself.

Yes, people work for money, how else would they spend their lives? You mean by not working and pursuing their interests? To many like me, and nearly everyone I know, that is their job and they're paid well. Unless you mean idle freeloaders should be supported by the working class?

Can't afford education? Last time I checked public school was free for everyone and libraries are a treasure of information. Not to mention the fortunes of skills and knowledge given away for free on the internet. Take some responsibility for yourself and stop being a comfortable victim waiting around for someone to hand success to you.

If you still work for poverty wages and only grumble about it, then yes, you are stupid and deserve what you get. If you take your life by the reigns and work towards success, you also deserve what you get. See how that works?

I don't hire worthless people, why would I?

I hire skilled people to make my business more valuable to my clients. I pay them well, my time and capital is at most risk, so I get the most reward. They are free to open their own agencies and risk theirs. Any success would rightfully be theirs, too.

If being a rich, greedy, wealthy capitalist is so easy, have a go at it yourself.

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by wantsome
401K ha thats a joke

What extra money I get goes into my gas tank. I make less now then I did in 1994 when gas was $0.99 a gallon.

edit on 7-2-2013 by wantsome because: (no reason given)

Capitalism, Dont you love it? Not about service. Not about supply and demand. All about profit.

Who cares if you need cheaper gas? The providers to your needs want more profit. Screw you, you're no one! You dont matter! Profit matters!

If Gov't cared about you having cheaper gasoline, they wouldn't tax it so heavily. Taxes = 27%+ for every gallon. The same gallon that provides the evil oil companies with 9% profit for every gallon. Who is the greedy one here?

Without profit, services and business activity cannot be sustained. How hard would you work for free. Or how much would you pay to work? That's called a net loss.

Originally posted by jimmiec

Do we want the system we have that allows a few to get rich selling gimmicks, with nothing vital or essential to either prosperity or happiness provided?

So who forces anyone to buy these valueless gimmicks?

Are you forced to buy them? Anyone you know?

You are free to determine what is valuable to you. If people buy my products and services, I accumulate wealth. Is that stealing from the poor?

"allows a few to get rich" gee that sounds easy, so why haven't you ever tried it? Who stops anyone from going into business? I mean, besides Big Gov't that stifles progress with endless regulation and tax?

The same Big Gov't your sort seem to turn to for your every need and want.