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Originally posted by dragnik
And this? www.npr.org... -to-buzz-earth-next-weekedit on 2/8/2013 by dragnik because: change
Originally posted by TauCetixeta
Originally posted by dragnik
And this? www.npr.org... -to-buzz-earth-next-weekedit on 2/8/2013 by dragnik because: change
DA14 is too small and would burn up in the atmosphere. Plus it will be too far away.
The doom and gloomers will need to head back to the drawing board.
Better luck next time.
Really? Can you explain how? What conditions?
A solar flare can produce an E1 type pulse (if the conditions are just right), but it is extremely rare.
Any evidence of that ever occurring?
Potentially even killing people on the nearest side to the sun.
BUT if we were to be hit by lets say an x28, ALL OF YOUR ELECTRONICS WOULD BE USELESS. BURNT CHIPS!
But in February, the North American Electric Reliability Corporation, which represents the power industry, issued a stunning report asserting that a worst-case geomagnetic “super storm” like the 1859 Carrington Event likely wouldn’t damage most power grid transformers. Instead, it would cause voltage instability and possibly result in blackouts lasting only a few hours or days, but not months and years.
NERC’s assertion, however, is at serious variance with the 2008 congressional EMP Commission, the 2008 National Academy of Sciences report; a 2010 Federal Energy Regulatory Commission report; the 2012 report by the Defense Committee of the British Parliament, and others. Even the British scientists who contributed to the parliament report came to their own independent assessment that a great geomagnetic storm would cause widespread damage to power grid transformers and result in a protracted blackout lasting months, or even years, with catastrophic consequences for society.
Originally posted by Dustytoad
Originally posted by IronVelvet
I believe they mean 30 minutes from the time it erupts from the sun to the time it hits earth. The distance from earth to the sun is almost 93 million miles. At a million miles per hour thats 93 minutes. They can travel over a million miles per hour. So yes it could be 30 minutes from the time it erupts to the time it hits. They are trying to be dramatic (to get your attention).
NO... Miles per hour.. Not Miles per minute... They do teach math in school still yea? So do tell me where the minutes are coming from when the units are in hours.
you are off by a factor of 60...
I already did that math for you.. It's 93 hours.. I also did the math for the fastest EVER detected which puts it at around 12.9 hours... That one was going 7.2 Million miles per hour..
Unless the CME is going 186 MILLION miles per hour it won't get here in 30 minutes... CME's don't go that fast by the way.. Being that it's 26 times faster than the fastest ever seen..
Check out some of my posts in the thread..
The entire article is really stupid.edit on 2/8/2013 by Dustytoad because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by IronVelvet
Really? Can you explain how? What conditions?
A solar flare can produce an E1 type pulse (if the conditions are just right), but it is extremely rare.
Any evidence of that ever occurring?
Potentially even killing people on the nearest side to the sun.
BUT if we were to be hit by lets say an x28, ALL OF YOUR ELECTRONICS WOULD BE USELESS. BURNT CHIPS!
We were "hit" by an X28 flare. In 2003. The strongest ever recorded. The thing is, solar flares have little if any effect on Earth's surface because the electromagnetic radiation is very effectively absorbed by the atmosphere. It's CMEs which cause problems. But those problems are restricted to things like power grids and pipelines because of the currents induced in long conductors. Before we had such things the only thing people would have noticed would have been very dramatic auroral displays.
www.spaceweather.com...
edit on 2/8/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)
A few days later, the largest solar flare ever measured with instruments occurred on November 4, 2003; initially measured at X28, it was later upgraded to an X45-class.
No. It is a ball of plasma, too hot for gas. It is also 93 million miles away.
IT IS A GIANT REVOLVING MIX OF PLASMA AND GAS. THAT SPOUTS FIRE.
What is this "photon belt"? Surely you're not referring to this bit of nonsense:
I do know it is possible given the photon belt we have been in for a while now.
No need to shout but perhaps you are the one who should get their facts straight. The flare was detected by the SOHO satellite which orbits directly between the Sun and the Earth. Therefore, the Earth was hit by the flare just as the satellite was. But perhaps you are confused over the difference between solar flares and CMEs. While they are often associated with each other they are not the same thing.
WE WERE NOT HIT BY AN x28 IN 2003. I REPEAT IT DID NOT HIT US. IT DID HAPPEN BUT IT DID NOT HIT THE EARTH. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
Taking a different route, researchers from the University of Otago used radio wave-based measurements of the x-rays' effects on the Earth's upper atmosphere to revise the flare's size from a merely huge X28 to a "whopping" X45, say researchers Neil Thomson, Craig Rodger, and Richard Dowden.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by IronVelvet
What is this "photon belt"? Surely you're not referring to this bit of nonsense:
I do know it is possible given the photon belt we have been in for a while now.
en.wikipedia.org...
No need to shout but perhaps you are the one who should get their facts straight. The flare was detected by the SOHO satellite which orbits directly between the Sun and the Earth. Therefore, the Earth was hit by the flare. But perhaps you are confused over the difference between solar flares and CMEs. While they are often associated with each other they are not the same thing.
WE WERE NOT HIT BY AN x28 IN 2003. I REPEAT IT DID NOT HIT US. IT DID HAPPEN BUT IT DID NOT HIT THE EARTH. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
Solar flares are classified according to the level of electromagnetic radiation which is emitted (x-rays, specifically), an X28 is a very powerful flare. A solar flare arrives at the speed of light, about eight minutes after it occurs. CMEs don't really have a classification system and take anywhere from 15 hours or so to 4 days to arrive (if they do), depending on their velocity.
So, are you saying that a CME can cause an E1 pulse? Again, please explain how.
edit on 2/8/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DreamingMinds
This was front and center for the Science section news today:
www.huffingtonpost.com...
It also has a picture report detailing impacts of space weather from Bell Laboratories
Do you know what photons are? Can you explain how they can form a "belt"?
Just because the Wiki page has a bunch of bogus on it about the "new age movement" doesn't mean we aren't actually moving through a different part of the universe that contains a photon belt.
Um. The Sun is actually quite calm. Calmer than it has been in more than 100 years. Though it is following its 11 year cycle, the cycle is very mild as far as activity goes.
which I believe is the primary reason our sun has been so active lately.
Still don't understand what a solar flare is, huh? It is a burst of electromagnetic radiation. It is not directional. The Earth is hit by a flare which occurs anywhere on the side of the Sun which is facing Earth. The flare hit the SOHO satellite directly. The flare hit Earth directly. As shown above the effects on the upper atmosphere were actually that of an X45 flare. No EMP. No electronics fried. No people fried.
I just can't get a single thing through that thick little head of yours can i?
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by IronVelvet
No. It is a ball of plasma, too hot for gas. It is also 93 million miles away.
IT IS A GIANT REVOLVING MIX OF PLASMA AND GAS. THAT SPOUTS FIRE.
Those big ole' bubbles that are produced on the surface of the sun is gas rising to the surface.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by IronVelvet
Do you know what photons are? Can you explain how they can form a "belt"?
Just because the Wiki page has a bunch of bogus on it about the "new age movement" doesn't mean we aren't actually moving through a different part of the universe that contains a photon belt.
Um. The Sun is actually quite calm. Calmer than it has been in more than 100 years. Though it is following its 11 year cycle, the cycle is very mild as far as activity goes.
which I believe is the primary reason our sun has been so active lately.
solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov...
Still don't understand what a solar flare is, huh? It is a burst of electromagnetic radiation. It is not directional. The Earth is hit by a flare which occurs anywhere on the side of the Sun which is facing Earth. The flare hit the SOHO satellite directly. The flare hit Earth directly. As shown above the effects on the upper atmosphere were actually that of an X45 flare. No EMP. No electronics fried. No people fried.
I just can't get a single thing through that thick little head of yours can i?
Solar flares do not affect electronics on Earth's surface. A solar flare will not hurt your iPhone (or you).
Geomagnetic storms do not affect electronics (unless they are plugged into an unstable electric grid).
edit on 2/8/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)
I dont feel a need to reply back to you anymore.
you can produce a greater induced current in your iphone than that of a geomagnetic storm by waving a magnet over it.