How will gun control reduce gang violence?, page 2

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reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 10:51 AM by neoholographic

reply to post by jibeho

Good post,

Gun Control has nothing to do with things like reducing gang violence. It has everything to do with the agenda of eroding the Constitution by going after the 2nd Amendment.

You're right to point out Obamacare. That was about trying to preserve the Ponzi scheme instead of reforming the system. It had nothing to do with the uninsured. It was about taking money away from the elderly who use a lot of healthcare services and moving it to the "uninsured" who are mostly young people who don't use a lot of healthcare. When Obamacare kicks in it will be sad when Grandma can't get the service she's use to because the IPAB says no.

When Obama called the Constitution a charter of negative liberties, that told you everything you need to know. It's all about "collective salvation" and "fundamentally changing and transforming" America into his Progressive image.

reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 10:54 AM by mikell

Gun control has worked wel in Chicago you say not just think what it would be like without it. they kill 10 -15 a week now what would that number be like without the TOUGH LAWS!!

reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 11:18 AM by kamebard

Originally posted by neoholographic
We can round up gangs. There could be strict laws and jail time for gang members. After 3 strikes you get an ankle bracelet for 10 years and your freedom is gone and you're on a curfew. Being in a gang needs to be a criminal offense.

Although I do agree that measures need to be taken against violent groups who assemble, the first amendment protects freedom of assembly - and by extension, membership in organizations.

Let's say we decide to label Gangs as terrorist organizations (they do create terror don't they)? How will we then distinguish between the "gangs of kids" just looking to hang out and "gangs of thugs" looking for their next fix? It's a dangerous and slippery slope. Would we then apply this same logic to para-military organizations? Would this apply to civil war reenactors?

I do agree that things need to be done, but I'm not sure if criminalizing association is the right path. Perhaps we can do something along the lines of defining organized criminal activity. Get arrested for a crime as a member of an "organized" unit, then the penalty changes. Enough members get arrested from an "organization" acting on behalf of the "organization" the "organization" is then labeled as an organized crime unit and all members are then subject to the current "organized crime" laws.

reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 11:21 AM by resoe26

If they outlawed firearms...
ALL THE GANGS WOULD BECOME ARMS DEALERS

drugs are outlawed right?
ALL GANGS SLANG DRUGS

duh

RASCAL

reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 12:58 PM by neoholographic

reply to post by kamebard

That is easy.

The United States Constitution explicitly provides for 'the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances'" in the First Amendment.

It doesn't say you have the right to terrorize and sell drugs.

There's a difference between the Boys and Girls Club and MS-13. We can't act ignorant in the face of these gangs. They have no protection to terrorize innocent civilians. The Police and the Feds know who these gangs are that's carrying out all of this violence.

So the Gun Control debate is a stupid one and a distraction. In order to reduce gun violence we have to go where guns are most destructive and one place is Gangs.

So instead of debating whether or not a law abiding citizen can own an AK, talk about the Gang Member who shoots and kills innocent men, women and children.

This is from the F.B.I.

Gangs are expanding, evolving and posing an increasing threat to US communities nationwide. Many gangs are sophisticated criminal networks with members who are violent, distribute wholesale quantities of drugs, and develop and maintain close working relationships with members and associates of transnational criminal/drug trafficking organizations. Gangs are becoming more violent while engaging in less typical and lower-risk crime, such as prostitution and white-collar crime. Gangs are more adaptable, organized, sophisticated, and opportunistic, exploiting new and advanced technology as a means to recruit, communicate discretely, target their rivals, and perpetuate their criminal activity. Based on state, local, and federal law enforcement reporting, the NGIC concludes that:

There are approximately 1.4 million active street, prison, and OMG gang members comprising more than 33,000 gangs in the United States. Gang membership increased most significantly in the Northeast and Southeast regions, although the West and Great Lakes regions boast the highest number of gang members. Neighborhood-based gangs, hybrid gang members, and national-level gangs such as the Sureños are rapidly expanding in many jurisdictions. Many communities are also experiencing an increase in ethnic-based gangs such as African, Asian, Caribbean, and Eurasian gangs.
Gangs are responsible for an average of 48 percent of violent crime in most jurisdictions and up to 90 percent in several others, according to NGIC analysis. Major cities and suburban areas experience the most gang-related violence. Local neighborhood-based gangs and drug crews continue to pose the most significant criminal threat in most communities. Aggressive recruitment of juveniles and immigrants, alliances and conflict between gangs, the release of incarcerated gang members from prison, advancements in technology and communication, and Mexican Drug Trafficking Organization (MDTO) involvement in drug distribution have resulted in gang expansion and violence in a number of jurisdictions.
Gangs are increasingly engaging in non-traditional gang-related crime, such as alien smuggling, human trafficking, and prostitution. Gangs are also engaging in white-collar crime such as counterfeiting, identity theft, and mortgage fraud, primarily due to the high profitability and much lower visibility and risk of detection and punishment than drug and weapons trafficking.

Instead of debating about taking guns away from law abiding citizens, they need to go after gangs. This terrorism has nothing to do with the freedom of assembly.

Just like you have the freedom to bear arms but you don't have a right to murder someone, you have the freedom to assemble but not the freedom to terrorize, murder and rape.

Another reason gangs are so powerful is because drugs and prostitution are illegal. The same thing will happen under "gun control." There will just be more gun cartels who "control" guns. Just like Govt. can't control illegal drugs or prostitution, they will never control guns.

reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 02:32 PM by PharaohSmiff

my opinion is that the government could careless about gangs (mostly minorities) killing each other. this has been a issue for decades only now when schools and movie theaters are getting shot up it becomes a bigger problem. so the answer is it wont because the majority if not all the weapons they use are illegal anyway. but you know people only care about gang violence when it spills over to there side of the fence.

reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 04:08 PM by Parksie

'Don't do it!' Last plea of boy killed by sword gang: Hunted down in upmarket London street by a mob as he begged for his life

www.dailymail.co.uk...

It will not

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