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How will gun control reduce gang violence?

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posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:11 PM
Gun Control is a progressive issue that destroys real opportunity. Everytime there's a shooting Progressives on the left and the right turn it into a gun control debate. Something might actually get done to help people but the first thing they do is cry about gun control and this just polarizes everyone.

A true leader would push for the reduction in violence where guns are most destructive. Gangs, mentally disturbed and criminals. Instead we have a big debate about taking AK's from law abiding citizens.

You hear the same nonsense over and over again. Why does someone need one of these weapons? First, that's none of your damn business especially if I'm a law abiding citizen.

So instead of this debate about taking guns away from law abiding citizens, the focus should be reducing violent crimes where guns are most destructive. Here's more:

Guns and gangs. Haven't read anything from the Left about that. Certainly nothing from Congress. But with FBI statistics showing more than 1,500,000 members of recognized gangs across the nation and something like 33,000 recognized gangs in the FBI's stats, you'd think Gun Control advocates would list these as a major target of their efforts, especially since gang activity is responsible for at least 48% of criminal and violent activity throughout the US. [1]

You'd be wrong.


- 100% of cities with population greater than or equal to 250,000 reported gang activity in 2001

- 85% of cities with population between 100,000 and 229,999 reported gang activity in 2001

- 65% of cities with population between 50,000 and 99,999 reported gang activity in 2001

- 44% of cities with population between 25,000 and 49,999 reported gang activity in 2001

- 20% of cities with population between 2,500 and 24,999 reported gang activity in 2001

- 35% of suburban counties reported gang activity in 2001

- 11% of rural counties reported gang activity in 2001

- 95% of the jurisdictions reporting gang activity in 2001 had also reported gang activity in previous survey years 3,000 jurisdictions across the US are estimated to have had gang activity in 2001

- 56% of cities with population greater than or equal to 100,000 reported an increase or no significant change in the number of gang members in 2001

- 42% of cities with a population of at least 25,000 reported an increase in the number of gang members

- 45% of cities with a population of at least 25,000 reported an increase in the number of gangs from the previous two years

- 69% of cities with population at least 100,000 reported having gang related homicides in 2001

- 37% of cities with population between 50,000 and 99,999 reported having gang related homicides in 2001

- 59% of all homicides in 2001 in Los Angeles and

- 53% in Chicago were gang related, there was a total of 698 gang related homicides in there two cities combined, whereas 130 other cities with population of at least 100,000 with gang problems reported having a total of 637 homicides among them [2]

It's sad but Progressives use these shootings to push an agenda. This agenda is to erode the 2nd Amendment. As I said before, Progressives don't like the Constitution because it shows negative liberty works and people don't need to be put into some collective and be controlled by the State. This is why Obama said the Constitution was fundamentally flawed in a 2001 interview.

The 2nd Amendment simply gives more power to the individual over the State. Progressives hate this. So instead of actually doing something to reduce things like gang violence Progressives go after the 2nd Amendment.

Reports about you and me and our AR-15s and AKs? All over the front page. Gangs with rocket launchers and grenades in the gun control newspeak? Bupkus. You and I and our Glocks? Terrified reporters breathless with passion for gun control. Gangs with Glocks? Nada. You and I, presuming you may be religious, a veteran of armed service or a defender of the Second Amendment are now listed with Homeland Security as a threat to National Security, a potential terrorist. Lumped in there with the likes of Hamas, Shining Path, MS-13 and the Hells Angels. But right now we're not hearing anything about trying to take guns away from the Mongols. No. You're not hearing some rip and read talking head demanding MS-13 be disarmed. You and me, yes. Insanely violent drug gangs? Shhh. No gun control for them, they might do something.

How could we reduce this?

We could give out stiff fines and jail time for people with a felony who try to buy guns in state or out of state. We could start enforcing laws on the books.

We can round up gangs. There could be strict laws and jail time for gang members. After 3 strikes you get an ankle bracelet for 10 years and your freedom is gone and you're on a curfew. Being in a gang needs to be a criminal offense.

It's sad, progressives want to go after the rights of law abiding citizens instead of after gangs. There's no right to be in a gang and terrorize people (unless you're a Politician).

So the gun control debate just polarizes everyone and everyone takes a side. This is Obama the agitator. Instead of being a leader and addressing the real issues, he just acts like a Progressive Politician from Chicago.

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:18 PM
We already have "gun control". It doesn't keep criminals from breaking the law.

So to answer your question - it won't.

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:20 PM
That is easy.

Let's say guns are illegal for citizens... there will be less gun murders because the gangs with the guns wouldn't shoot as many people because they are defenseless.

Let's go best case:

So, Violent crime goes up, Gangs rule and you get to cower in fear with no recourse while you are robbed, mugged, burglarized, raped, ect.

Much less gun murder and you get to be a defenseless serf.... isn't it great!

Worst Case:

Mexico. Gangs would increase and citizens would suffer the above PLUS get shot as often or more than you see now!

Wouldn't that be awesome!

By the way 74% of murders in the US are gang related.

The Eurotrash and Aussies constantly commenting don't get that this isn't an Island and this isn't Europe. We border a Narco state.

The War on Drugs and Chicago are perfect examples of how affective gun control would work.
edit on 30-1-2013 by infolurker because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:24 PM
It'll be about as effective as Drug control. Because we all know how astonishingly effective that has been.

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Lunarian
It'll be about as effective as Drug control. Because we all know how astonishingly effective that has been.

Exactly, the Government can't control drugs or prostitution and guns are no different. There will just be more gun cartels created by "gun control."

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:37 PM
Gun Control = When guns are present you are in control of at least one of them.

Gun Free Zone = 100% Safe Working Environment for Criminals and Killers

Defense Weapon = Any gun within reach that can be operated in a pitch black room within 3 seconds of reaching it.

Any questions?

S/F for the thread.

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:40 PM
reply to post by infolurker

Eurotrash? That's pretty harsh. You're not going to win over many people with that kind of attitude, but what else could be expected from the pro-gun crowd?

How will gun control reduce gang violence? Same way portion control cures obesity. Gradually.

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:42 PM
Someone posted this in an entirely unrelated topic. For amusement value.

But I think it shows what you all already know.

Ain't that fun. More people with these, plox.

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:47 PM
reply to post by DaTroof

The OP is harsh...and I almost didn't give him the flag on that basis to be honest. However, the relentless push and while totally ignoring the voices of the people to even take into consideration is harsher. I'd hate to think the OP meant individuals here ...and I've met no one in person that identifies as a Democrat for politics and agrees with being progressive when the definition of that term is properly put into context for the early 1900's origin of it.

So...Harsh is about what it's to since there seems to be no other way to address the issue that is happening in the nation around us. Anything else is outright ignored. Case in point would be the latest issue in Vermont that threads here have talked about with assault weapon bans right over the top of the people turning out in numbers to voice their very strong objections.

It's real hard to advocate peaceful work within the system (as I am) when the system spits in people's faces for trying and does it's own thing anyway.

I will say the OP isn't batting a high score for diplomacy or tact...but see above.

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:50 PM
It will not stop anything, outlaw them, make them illegal, the gangs will still get their hands on them no matter what. And for the citizens who don't own guns, are sitting ducks.

To me it is nothing but a matter of the degradation of socity. It takes two working parents to sustain a household. And parenting is put on the way side. Which is sad. I work nights, and only get to see my kid for a few brief moments, as she is always going somewhere. I however do make it a point to sit and talk to her, and trying to teach morals, which is long lost in translation. I think that about sums it up.
edit on 30-1-2013 by thepolish1 because: spell check

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:50 PM

Originally posted by neoholographic
How will gun control reduce gang violence?

It won't.

(you're welcome)

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:54 PM
reply to post by winofiend

Wino, I feel sorry for her but that was just funny. But my question is, will she ever touch a gun again? He did tell her not to mess with it!

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:54 PM
@How will gun control reduce gang violence?

It wont reduce it as much is needed. The gun control will reduce some of the illegal sales that go on that allow some of the guns into the hands of gangmembers, but at the same wont prevent the total issue with gang violence.

Gang violence has deep roots that span back generations. These roots include-lack of education which is the main contributor to gang violence.

I say main contributor because when a parent cannot find a good job usually associated with an educated background beyond highschool to fend for their family properly they will tend to find other ways to do so after exhausting themselves with the job positions available for those not carrying proper education credentials. And as a child watches their parent who cannot find a GOOD job to provide for their and other mouths to feed in the household the child too begins to seek alternative measures to become financially stable, which is another root to the gang violence.

So the result usually is to seek other ways to financially stabilize themselves. This usually makes gang activity in the near hood as Dark as it may seem/is feel like a more effect approach to overcoming not having a financial stable home for parent and child(s).

These 2 roots alone1- lack of education and 2-financial stability encourage the negative energy in these lower vibrating areas of Chicago where gang activity thrives, for this is what those who feel trapped/depressed/abandoned/or in denial of even feeling this way find their salvation amongst PEERS going thru the ignorance with them... This is where the 3rd root the drug usage and distribution begins to come into a more effective stance with the gang violence.

For there then exist a massive amount of conscious lower vibrating energy amongst many with concerns of how not educated some/they are -how not financially stable some/they are which then releases a depression wave frequency that is dealt with, with individual or group drug abuse and sometimes even with displays of flat out ignorance distributed upon others who may be innocent in reality but benign (or don't matter) to those who feel they are not part of the same peer group-group thinking ect. This then leads to GUN violence.

Because you then got groups in group think mode following some leader / slave master of modern urbania in his drug induced, hidden depression driven, self hatred hiding, gun toten, EGO possessing, FEARFUL of actual change to their community calling the shots and basically whatever they say go and basically everyone who are followers followers w/ guns will follow and CLONE their every move. Which then leaves a neighbor hood turned hood under siege somewhat of mind states that will kill for a cause but will curr at any chance of fixing the REAL issue but this is where being a LEADER OR FOLLOWER REALLY comes in to play.

So to close OP again gun control may assist in deleting some gang related gun violence. But as 1 stated there are many roots to this tree of ignorance and if all roots are not to be purged then its basically a game of dark until the STARZ SHINE BRIGHT ENOUGH IN THEIR FACES... And then they see w/ hope indeed that their souls have repented.


edit on 1/30/13 by Ophiuchus 13 because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 10:59 PM
reply to post by neoholographic

It will increase gang violence against the police. When you get a lot more people running guns like they did liquor in the thirties. And combine that with today's get rich or die try'in thug attitude ? What you will have is a lot more DEAD COPS !

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:01 PM
reply to post by randyvs

Yeah, the cops who aren't selling them guns.

posted on Jan, 30 2013 @ 11:19 PM

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by neoholographic

It will increase gang violence against the police. When you get a lot more people running guns like they did liquor in the thirties. And combine that with today's get rich or die try'in thug attitude ? What you will have is a lot more DEAD COPS !

And dead Civilians who have been disarmed.
Being unarmed and caught in the crossfire.

posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 12:31 AM
reply to post by neoholographic

Gun control is about the government tightening the reins on what they say society can and cannot do. Gangs will exist with or without guns. Gangs will find their firearms from the black market - just like lots of crooks have done for many many years.

Gun control is actually about the government not about the citizens. Logic dictates that freedom of choice is actually the best method for the government to control who owns a gun. When every citizen in American has the choice to own a gun or not then the government will have complete control. Every citizen who elects to purchase a gun will leave a paper trail and that means the government will know exactly who has a gun.

Now picture a country where owning a gun as a tax paying citizen is outlawed. Hmmm...tried that with alcohol once and what happened? The black market made a lot of people very wealthy. Gave the crooks a strong hold on a specific market and eventually the people won out. The citizens wanted their alcohol and they won.

Guns and gangs will not be stopped with gun control. Gangs will stop when we live in a healthier society without psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists running the world. Gangs are rebelling against a society - not in a safe or productive manner - nevertheless they are shunning conventional behaviour and striking out on their own. What they need is a purpose to their lives and then they could contribute to society in a more positive manner.

Guns - I could live without guns. Think of all the money that is poured into the manufacture of firearms - all that money could be better spent on feeding the starving and housing the homeless.

Much Peace...for everyone...

posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 12:44 AM
SAD thing is that our GOVERNMENT feels the need to EXPLOIT young childrens deaths in order to push their agenda.

What's even sadder is that you can take every single gun from every "LAW ABIDING CITEZEN" on this planet and it WILL NOT PREVENT a single death of an innocent person.

EVIL Scumbags who want to murder people will always find a gun, bomb or whatever means they want to do it.

posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 10:21 AM
This whole debate is simply about controlling the people. Obamacare was the first act of unprecedented govt. control and this is simply a follow up. If they succeed here (doubtful) then comes the march to control the free flow of speech and information over the Internet. and so on and so on.

They could care less about gang violence.... Chicago is the poster child of all that is wrong with the idea that gun control saves lives. Chicago just broke a 10 year record for the most people killed in the month of January. 42 or so have already been killed... at this pace they will break 2012's record numbers...

To really address gangs and the culture of violence this nation is going to have to dig deep into our moral compass. Which could be difficult for those who lack one.... The culture must be destroyed, the circle of poverty that has been provided by the govt. must end, take it all away and let the thugs sink into the depths... then save those who were able to rise above it all...

Gang violence is ignored, the laws are not enforced, the illegal drug market supports the culture, the image of wealth from that market attracts the followers and on and on it goes...

To be extreme... round them all up, drop them off in Death Valley with a barrel of water and a box of pop tarts. Then let them fight it out...

posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 10:34 AM
reply to post by DaTroof

We've already seen what happens in the areas with the highest levels of gun control...

Chicago would be a prime example...

Gang bangers do not care about the law...
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