"There is only now" is not only a spiritual concept. The past is quite literally an illusion.

So does this mean things done in the past don't exist anymore?

reply to post by intrptr


Real-izing that the past is an illusion is not about forgeting the past. It's about consciousness transcending time and space, it's about ego-death and rebirth (born again). It's about detachment, liberation, mindfulness. Just as waking from a nightmare is not about forgeting the nightmare.

"History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake." -James Joyce

Originally posted by Oannes
So does this mean things done in the past don't exist anymore?

Can you hear the past?

reply to post by BlueMule

Real-izing that the past is an illusion is not about forgetting the past.

Sounds like someone trying to justify their actions.

I got a quote for you too.

"American eyes, American eyes, view the world from American eyes...

Bury the past, rob us blind, and leave nothing behind."- from a song I can't remember its name?

People that want to forget the past are usually abusive. Orr the "abusees".

reply to post by NorEaster


Dam* NE, that made me smile ...even if it's kinda mean in that swat the fairy to the earth way. I just wanted to say that I enjoy your brain, soul ...whatever.

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by BlueMule

 

Real-izing that the past is an illusion is not about forgetting the past.

Sounds like someone trying to justify their actions.

I got a quote for you too.

"American eyes, American eyes, view the world from American eyes...

Bury the past, rob us blind, and leave nothing behind."- from a song I can't remember its name?

People that want to forget the past are usually abusive. Orr the "abusees".

Like I said, it's not about forgetting the past, and its not about justifying actions. It's about transpersonal experiences which show the illusory (maya) nature of the ego, of time, of space, of duality, multiplicity.

You seem to have made up your mind about all this. Persist in your folly.

reply to post by BlueMule

It's about transpersonal experiences which show the illusory (maya) nature of the ego, of time, of space, of duality, multiplicity.

You are all over the place with that. Anything specific?

Give me a for instance... instead of catchall generalities.

BTW, you replies don't link in my reply box. I have to find them. Maybe like your avatar you are very "down low".

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by BlueMule

 

It's about transpersonal experiences which show the illusory (maya) nature of the ego, of time, of space, of duality, multiplicity.

You are all over the place with that. Anything specific?

Earlier I mentioned retro-causality.

Have Scientists Finally Discovered Evidence for Psychic Phenomena?

Retro-causal psychic effects put space-time on an ontological backburner and consciousness on a frontburner. Instead of consciousness being the illusion, which is what the dogma-of-the-day tells us, it's time and space that are the illusions. Space-time emerges from cosmic consciousness.

BTW, you replies don't link in my reply box. I have to find them. Maybe like your avatar you are very "down low".

/shrug

Quite opposite OP. Check out "The Fabric of the Cosmos: Illusion of Time" on PBS, or maybe Netflix, etc. if you get a chance. One of the implications of what Brian Greene calls "now slices" implies that not only is the past already written, as most people accept, but so is the future, due to the way Relativity describes relative motion and time dilation on large cosmological scales.

Here is a transcript: www.pbs.org...-time

To see what I mean, think of spacetime as a loaf of bread. Einstein realized that, just as there are different ways to cut a loaf of bread into individual slices, there are different ways to cut spacetime into individual "now" slices. That is, because motion affects the passage of time, someone who is moving will have a different conception of what's happening right now, and so they'll cut the loaf into different now slices. Their slices will be at a different angle.

DAVID KAISER: That person who's moving will, will tilt the knife, will be carving out these slices at a different angle. They won't be parallel to my slices of time.

BRIAN GREENE: To get a feel for the bizarre effect this can have, imagine an alien, here, in a galaxy 10-billion light years from Earth, and way over there, on Earth, the guy at the gas station. Now, if the two are sitting still, not moving in relation to one other, their clocks tick off time at the same rate, and so they share the same now slices, which cut straight across the loaf. But watch what happens if the alien hops on his bike and rides directly away from Earth.

Since motion slows the passage time, their clocks will no longer tick off time at the same rate. And if their clocks no longer agree, their now slices will no longer agree either.

The alien's now slice cuts across the loaf differently. It's angled towards the past. Since the alien is biking at a leisurely pace, his slice is angled to the past by only a miniscule amount. But across such a vast distance, that tiny angle results in a huge difference in time. So what the alien would find on his angled now slice—he considers as happening right now, on Earth—no longer includes our friend at the gas station, or even 40 years earlier when our friend was a baby.

Amazingly, the alien's now slice has swept back through more than 200 years of Earth history and now includes events we consider part of the distant past, like Beethoven finishing his 5th Symphony: 1804 to 1808.

And if that's not strange enough, the direction you move makes a difference, too. Watch what happens when the alien turns around and bikes toward Earth. The alien's new "now slice" is angled to…toward the future, and so it includes events that won't happen on Earth for 200 years: perhaps our friend's great-great-great granddaughter teleporting from Paris to New York.

Once we know that your now can be what I consider the past, or your now can be what I consider the future, and your now is every bit as valid as my now, then we learn that the past must be real, the future must be real. They could be your now. That means past, present, future…all equally real; they all exist.

SEAN CARROLL: If you believe the laws of physics, there's just as much reality to the future and the past as there is to the present moment.

This vid might help.

Originally posted by Oannes
So does this mean things done in the past don't exist anymore?

no it means there is in infinite number of parallel "Pasts" existing right now...

reply to post by Oannes

So does this mean things done in the past don't exist anymore?

Nope. Sorry about that. Whatever it is we have done is still with us. And those we affect in our travels. That could be called fallout as a result of what we have done. Stemming from what we have done. Affecting how we deal with the future.

reply to post by BlueMule

Earlier I mentioned retro-causality.

Have Scientists Finally Discovered Evidence for Psychic Phenomena?

Sorry, not buying it. If we "perceive the future", it is because we are given that from outside ourself. Its a gift. Associated with helping others. Not for personal gain. If any of that foreseeable future stuff was consistent by our own ability, there would be no gambling casinos. For one.

Poor example that article.

reply to post by intrptr


/shrug

Whatever. Buy it or don't don't buy it - either way I don't care. It's your life. But your casino logic is uninformed, FYI. And that article is just the tip of the iceberg.

www.boundaryinstitute.org...

Originally posted by ObservingYou
Actually within the Ra and Seth material they state that even our future actions can affect our past in ways we cannot imagine.

"Time" is completely something we cannot percieve.

Someone who has read the Seth stuff. Star for you. It's very advanced data, according to people who know advanced data. The books are by a dead woman (not dead when they were dictated to her husband) named Jane Roberts, in case a reader hasn't heard of them. Maybe someone else commented already, I jumped ahead on the thread when I saw your comment.

reply to post by BlueMule

fine. And you just go right on believing you can predict anything. As long as you do that, it will never blossom for you.

But I'm game. Give me one prediction now... (after you read my signature).

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by BlueMule

 

fine. And you just go right on believing you can predict anything.

I never claimed to be able to predict anything. But you just go right on attacking that strawman. Bye.

I think you are somewhat correct.

There is no future because that is just a possibility not yet existing...
There is no past because that is only a memory of the mind...

But, there is also no present, because now is just an illusion of light appearing and disappearing being seen by the emptiness/darkness of the mind.

There is really "nothing" with an illusion of flickering light making us believe there is "something/everything".

"The past is quite literally an illusion"

To most people sadly.

Originally posted by Astyanax
That a German should attempt to deny the reality of past event is spine-chilling.

I am not accusing you of anything but insensitiveness, but you really should know better.

Oh my gaaaaawd. Seriously?

It's a fact of life that no one can discuss interesting conceptual subjects without SOMEone tying in the holocaust somehow.

What I love is that usually the people who say this are the very same people who, when black people bring up slavery, say: "That was forever ago, no one alive has ever owned a slave, get over it!"