reply to post by Indigo5
I asked for your (personal) source. I realize google exists. But, not all sources find or state the same thing, even if they essentially agree in
principal. However, I want to know yours to check for political spin/agenda. This agenda in not new and there are groups that have been working hard
to get to these points, where new legislation and regulation of rights can be put into place.
For instance . . . link to Frontline gives authors name and organization. Dan Noyes is one of the founders of that organization, based in Berkeley,
the Center for Investigative Reporting. While they have gone after some noble causes they are definitely slanted toward the progressive idealogy.
Just like saving kids from school shootings is noble, but the progressive way would be to take the rights of all for the actions of a few. Most of
their "investigations" also seem to center on capitalism/corporations and the right wing. They are also very active of the anti-gun lobby, in the Bay
Area. Link to their wiki page:
Center for Investigative Reporting
Here is another opinion on why guns bought in other states end up in the hands of criminals:
Legal buys other states
Differences in laws among the States foster a black market where guns flow from so-called “weak-law” States like Georgia to “strong-law”
States like New York. In 2007 police seized 10,444 firearms in New York State. Of those that could be traced (about half), seventy-one percent had
been sold at retail outside the State. For those seized in the NYC metro area the proportion of out-of-State guns was eighty-six percent. Contrast
that with California, where any resident with a clean record can buy a handgun without a permit. In 2008 ATF traced 30,641 guns recovered in the
Golden State. Of those that could be traced (again, about half) seventy-three percent were originally sold within the State.
While his organization isn't connected to Frontline, he has the credentials to back up his articles (worked for ATF, etc). You can see all on his
site, if you like. EDIT - Wachtel is actually the source they use for their article - not sure how I missed that on first read.
The Frontline article is concluding conspiring FFL dealers and clandestine arms trafficking . . . just the image leader Feinstein is alway trying to
portray about the gun industry . . . subversive criminals. Now Wachtel talks a great deal about the problem of strawmen, in his article too. I'm
pretty sure he might agree it's the number one source. But, if you look around it can be debated and it is entirely dependent on location, as most of
the strawmen guns end up in and come from the states closet to those with bans . . . which is exactly the way the black market works under
As I said, it is an issue. But there are other ways, theft, private sale, black market . . . Could strawman be number 1 source and should the gov
enforce the laws that are already on the books, yes. But again, that you came in shouting "strawman" without any evidence that the collectors were
anything less than they said were. That's fear mongering and that's exactly what the anti-gun lobby wants the public to think when they hear of gun
shows and dealers in general (as well as private buys). That was part of the reason for Fast and Furious, to "show how easy it was to get guns in the
hands of criminals in Arizona". Their methods didn't work here though, like they did on New York . . . the Mexican Cartels seem smarter than BATFE
and the New York criminals.
Has it worked on you?
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