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Originally posted by Human2
To those who think the skeptics are wrong or idiotic, lets remember the countless lies that have been found out since the holocaust. The lampshades and soap being made out of humans was made up. This is a known fact. There were even "witnesses" who claimed to have seen the human lampshades and soap. I remember one lady claiming she knew that she was selected for lampshade material because of her perfect skin, and that the Germans removed her tattoo because it was a blemish on her otherwise perfect lampshade skin. She sold books and gave emotional talks about this supposed event.
The math also doesn't work out. Some witnesses were claiming 4 bodies per oven per hour. The ovens were measured and it would be nearly impossible to fit two bodies in there. Ask anyone who works in a modern crematorium and they will laugh at the 4 bodies per hour claim. It just simply cannot happen. Maybe 4 hours.
Also every few years they lower the amount of Jews killed. It started at 6 million, now it's 1 million. How many was it? And why are there so many lies?
There were also many witnesses who were caught in lie after lie. So what do you expect? We obviously need to take a second look at what happened. Question everything.
Originally posted by Wirral Bagpuss
Originally posted by Human2
To those who think the skeptics are wrong or idiotic, lets remember the countless lies that have been found out since the holocaust. The lampshades and soap being made out of humans was made up. This is a known fact. There were even "witnesses" who claimed to have seen the human lampshades and soap. I remember one lady claiming she knew that she was selected for lampshade material because of her perfect skin, and that the Germans removed her tattoo because it was a blemish on her otherwise perfect lampshade skin. She sold books and gave emotional talks about this supposed event.
The math also doesn't work out. Some witnesses were claiming 4 bodies per oven per hour. The ovens were measured and it would be nearly impossible to fit two bodies in there. Ask anyone who works in a modern crematorium and they will laugh at the 4 bodies per hour claim. It just simply cannot happen. Maybe 4 hours.
Also every few years they lower the amount of Jews killed. It started at 6 million, now it's 1 million. How many was it? And why are there so many lies?
There were also many witnesses who were caught in lie after lie. So what do you expect? We obviously need to take a second look at what happened. Question everything.
Denying the Holocaust ever happened is obscene. Are you calling Holocaust surviours liars now? The Holcaust happened. Learn to live with that FACT. This thread is meant to be about remembering all those who died in the Holocaust. Not denying it ever happened or disputing this that and the other. Try talking to some surviours who will tell you of the full horror of what went on. And learn to read the history of the period as well. it is attitudes like this that not only dishonour all those died in the Holocaust but makes me fear that this could well happen again. Has humanity learnt anything? The Nazis tried to deny it and failed.
Originally posted by Fylgje
What about all of the confederate soldiers who were genocided in Chicago? How bout that one?
Originally posted by Human2
Originally posted by Wirral Bagpuss
Originally posted by Human2
To those who think the skeptics are wrong or idiotic, lets remember the countless lies that have been found out since the holocaust. The lampshades and soap being made out of humans was made up. This is a known fact. There were even "witnesses" who claimed to have seen the human lampshades and soap. I remember one lady claiming she knew that she was selected for lampshade material because of her perfect skin, and that the Germans removed her tattoo because it was a blemish on her otherwise perfect lampshade skin. She sold books and gave emotional talks about this supposed event.
The math also doesn't work out. Some witnesses were claiming 4 bodies per oven per hour. The ovens were measured and it would be nearly impossible to fit two bodies in there. Ask anyone who works in a modern crematorium and they will laugh at the 4 bodies per hour claim. It just simply cannot happen. Maybe 4 hours.
Also every few years they lower the amount of Jews killed. It started at 6 million, now it's 1 million. How many was it? And why are there so many lies?
There were also many witnesses who were caught in lie after lie. So what do you expect? We obviously need to take a second look at what happened. Question everything.
Denying the Holocaust ever happened is obscene. Are you calling Holocaust surviours liars now? The Holcaust happened. Learn to live with that FACT. This thread is meant to be about remembering all those who died in the Holocaust. Not denying it ever happened or disputing this that and the other. Try talking to some surviours who will tell you of the full horror of what went on. And learn to read the history of the period as well. it is attitudes like this that not only dishonour all those died in the Holocaust but makes me fear that this could well happen again. Has humanity learnt anything? The Nazis tried to deny it and failed.
Do you know what a fact is?
Here are the facts:
1) Some of the "holocaust survivors" blatantly lied about many different things concerning the holocaust and made money doing so. The fact that you are completely unaware of this and calling me a "denier" for stating this fact just makes you look like an idiot.
2) The lampshade/soap claim is a myth
"General Lucius Clay, the military governor of the US zone of occupied Germany, explained the lampshade story, 'Well, it turned out actually that it was goat flesh' "
3) The claim of 4 bodies per oven per hour is a myth. It could not have been more than 1 body per hour, based on pure physics. You can actually go measure the ovens yourself and you can take a physics class or two as well. This is part of the reason the number of jews killed keeps getting lower.
There's many more, but lets start there. I'm not Jewish and I'm not German. I have no reason to have a bias either way. I simply want to know what really happened and I want to know exactly why you have this weird psychological barrier where you get angry when someone points out facts about this particular event and not others. Almost everyone else is like you. Programed to call me a denier simply because I accept facts. Don't assume you know what I believe.
If x,y, and z are all lies, why shouldn't we question a, b, and c? Perhaps they really happened, but idiots like you won't let an investigation take place because you're programed like good little sheep to scream at anyone who questions history for good reason.
Originally posted by Wirral Bagpuss
Originally posted by Human2
Originally posted by Wirral Bagpuss
Originally posted by Human2
To those who think the skeptics are wrong or idiotic, lets remember the countless lies that have been found out since the holocaust. The lampshades and soap being made out of humans was made up. This is a known fact. There were even "witnesses" who claimed to have seen the human lampshades and soap. I remember one lady claiming she knew that she was selected for lampshade material because of her perfect skin, and that the Germans removed her tattoo because it was a blemish on her otherwise perfect lampshade skin. She sold books and gave emotional talks about this supposed event.
The math also doesn't work out. Some witnesses were claiming 4 bodies per oven per hour. The ovens were measured and it would be nearly impossible to fit two bodies in there. Ask anyone who works in a modern crematorium and they will laugh at the 4 bodies per hour claim. It just simply cannot happen. Maybe 4 hours.
Also every few years they lower the amount of Jews killed. It started at 6 million, now it's 1 million. How many was it? And why are there so many lies?
There were also many witnesses who were caught in lie after lie. So what do you expect? We obviously need to take a second look at what happened. Question everything.
Denying the Holocaust ever happened is obscene. Are you calling Holocaust surviours liars now? The Holcaust happened. Learn to live with that FACT. This thread is meant to be about remembering all those who died in the Holocaust. Not denying it ever happened or disputing this that and the other. Try talking to some surviours who will tell you of the full horror of what went on. And learn to read the history of the period as well. it is attitudes like this that not only dishonour all those died in the Holocaust but makes me fear that this could well happen again. Has humanity learnt anything? The Nazis tried to deny it and failed.
Do you know what a fact is?
Here are the facts:
1) Some of the "holocaust survivors" blatantly lied about many different things concerning the holocaust and made money doing so. The fact that you are completely unaware of this and calling me a "denier" for stating this fact just makes you look like an idiot.
2) The lampshade/soap claim is a myth
"General Lucius Clay, the military governor of the US zone of occupied Germany, explained the lampshade story, 'Well, it turned out actually that it was goat flesh' "
3) The claim of 4 bodies per oven per hour is a myth. It could not have been more than 1 body per hour, based on pure physics. You can actually go measure the ovens yourself and you can take a physics class or two as well. This is part of the reason the number of jews killed keeps getting lower.
There's many more, but lets start there. I'm not Jewish and I'm not German. I have no reason to have a bias either way. I simply want to know what really happened and I want to know exactly why you have this weird psychological barrier where you get angry when someone points out facts about this particular event and not others. Almost everyone else is like you. Programed to call me a denier simply because I accept facts. Don't assume you know what I believe.
If x,y, and z are all lies, why shouldn't we question a, b, and c? Perhaps they really happened, but idiots like you won't let an investigation take place because you're programed like good little sheep to scream at anyone who questions history for good reason.
Ha! Please do not presume to make assumptions about what I know. If you bothered to read the original post of mine I stated I had my own reasons for remembering the Holocaust. I am not going to eleborate on what those reasons are as they are personal. But I will say I know things too and know all too well that the Holocuast happened. I have also read the history books and drawn my own conclusions.
I detest the assertion you keep making that Holocaust survivors are liars. That is deeply offensive and is a flagrant denial of the Holocaust and an affront to all those who died in the Holocaust. There is no denying the FACT that the Holocaust happened. I suggest you lean to deal with that very real fact and stop calling Holocaust surviors liars. In some countries that is actually a criminal offence.