Why don't flying saucers create this conical wave & sonic boom?

Originally posted by cloudyday

The book "Unconventional Flying Objects" by Paul R. Hill has some descriptions of possible UFO technology.

Cloudyday, good call -there's a link to a free E-book/pdf copy of his book on this thread (also speculation from James McCampbell, Leonard G. Cramp and Lieutenant Plantier).
Cheers.

reply to post by FormerSkeptic


There is a transfer of matter more like a pull on the ship and crew in which all the matter
in the ships path participates. Initiated by the hold that negative charge has on matter
when given voltage oscillations that spread at the speed of light.

synchronizeduniverse.com...
maybe these equations could give some insight (inb4 "stan romanek is faaaake!!11!!), they were analysed by a physicist.

reply to post by FormerSkeptic


IMO...There must be two magnetic fields surrounding the starship. The outer magnetic shield envelopes and contains the electrified plasma [the plasma becomes electrically charged by the swirling plasma currents] --- the inner magnetic shield --- protects the starship's hull from the plasma. Either, or both magnetic shield's has it's own gravitic zone, that negates the gravitic pull of any planet/object --- which gives the starship freedom from any kinetic/G forces --- thusly, affording the craft to perform instant stops/starts, right angle turns, etc...etc.

Cheers,

Erno86

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
reply to post by FormerSkeptic

 

Could you Imagine if you went back to say, King Arthurs Court, handed them a Cell Phone , and asked them to explain how it works.

Thats the same as asking us to explain their Mode of Travel.

We can offer Intelligent Guesses , based on our Tech, but Answers, not so much.

That isn't true. There has been a near step change in the scientific understanding of the physical world from 1700 to now, with maximum slope between 1880 and 1940.

In 800 AD, humans knew absolutely nothing actually true about the physical structure of the world.

Today, humans know a tremendous amount of experimentally validated facts about physics and chemistry of nearly everything which can be touched in the solar system, and have inferred things about distant celestial objects with extremely exotic and dangerous states of matter, all based on physics derived in Earth-bound labs. That's pretty spectacular.

We know why stars look the way they do, we can predict the distribution of star masses & colors, we know why they blow up. We detected freaking neutrinos from a supernova. People predicted how something as insane as a supernova worked, and then detected the actual smoking gun particle (neutrinos from massive fusion wave), directly on earth with heroic instrumentation.

We could talk physics with ET far better than Merlin .

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
reply to post by FormerSkeptic

 

Could you Imagine if you went back to say, King Arthurs Court, handed them a Cell Phone , and asked them to explain how it works.

Thats the same as asking us to explain their Mode of Travel.

We can offer Intelligent Guesses , based on our Tech, but Answers, not so much.

That isn't true. There has been a near step change in the scientific understanding of the physical world from 1700 to now, with maximum slope between 1880 and 1940.

In 800 AD, humans knew absolutely nothing actually true about the physical structure of the world.

Today, humans know a tremendous amount of experimentally validated facts about physics and chemistry of nearly everything which can be touched in the solar system, and have inferred things about distant celestial objects with extremely exotic and dangerous states of matter, all based on physics derived in Earth-bound labs. That's pretty spectacular.

We know why stars look the way they do, we can predict the distribution of star masses & colors, we know why they blow up. We detected freaking neutrinos from a supernova. People predicted how something as insane as a supernova worked, and then detected the actual smoking gun particle (neutrinos from massive fusion wave), directly on earth with heroic instrumentation.

We could talk physics with ET far better than Merlin .

Assuming of course that they want to talk to you!...You wouldn't try to teach a jellyfish nuclear physics, and compared to them we are like jellyfish technologically speaking.

Because, according to Bob Lazaar who I think is very credible, they are creating their own pocket of 'space & gravity' around the ship that is in effect static, so there are no G forces or acceleration issues bcus the occupents are not moving in THEIR bubble of space/time. They are merely (!) pulling time/space towards them and not really moving in a linear manner, even though it may appear so. I recommend you read up on his theory's it makes a lot of sense. They are not flying in the same way our planes do. They are operating outside of our space/time literally

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This is a good point which I haven't thought of before. Many many reports of UFOs accelerating to very high speeds but I can't remember a single report of a sonic boom.
Must be advanced technology which we cannot understand, possibly hundreds or even thousands of years ahead of us by advanced alien civilizations from distant solar systems. Cool. The aliens are here.

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In a medium such as classical vaccuum the dispersion relation for electromagnetic waves is w=CoK where Co is the speed of light in classical vaccuum. For this case the phase and group velocities both are Co. In so-called dispersive media the dispersion relation can be a complicated function of wave vector, and the phase and group velocities are not the same. In the general case, the phase and group velocities may have different directions."ex]

reply to post by FormerSkeptic


Science really has done more harm than good. It has molded some of you into these 3D-5 sense people who can't get themselves out of their box unless they are pried out.

In all probability our limited 3D existence is the exception rather than the rule out there in the Universe. Traversing into different dimensions-- at will, is probably very common and easy! These ship aren't solid nor are they driven. They are a thought form.

We are probably the lowest form of (and I use this word loosely) 'intelligent' Beings around. The mere fact we are prohibited by so many barriers/obstacles is quite telling of our very small leap of advancement.

I'd stop making everything around you come down to your level OP. It's time you go up to theirs!

Do you know nothing is solid? It's a fact that isn't taught readily because it can't be thoroughly explained in our limited capacity of 'knowledge'.
Because theoretically we should be able to go straight through walls. But the average person doesn't know how to vibrate to a higher frequency thereby changing our molecular structure just yet. But it can and does happen.

Time for you not only to get out of your boxes but use it as kindling once you do

Yes because obviously they are not using primitive propulsion systems like us. As I said (Above) read up on Bob Lazaar's testimony on how they work. This guy really worked at S4 and I discount pretty much every other report than his.

reply to post by JimTSpock

If ET craft are travelling to this planet, and I think there is more than enough evidence to suggest they are. Then they are most probably using technology capable of faster than light travel.
Considering the massive vastness of the universe which we humans have observed the speed of light is a snail's pace.
If you have the technology to travel faster than the speed of light other things which we think are impossible are probably quite easy. Building your own solar system to specification is probably not out of the question. It's all just atoms after all, which are just protons, electrons and neutrons. No shortage of these in the known universe.
By comparison our knowledge and technology is utterly primitive. Still using rocket engines to reach space.
Complete manipulation of space, time and matter is probably close to the technology some UFO's exhibit. Including full genetic or otherwise engineering. They would look at us like ants or monkeys.

reply to post by Murgatroid


Oh loose that aliens are demons-propaganda bullcrap, will ya? It has nothing to do with the topic, thus reportable... Also unknown aircraft are real...

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Topic, answer: because how would you know what technology they use to make sonic booms, according to claims of some non-conventional crafts, they even enter through water without splash, sonic boons is probably stone age for them

i think because their interaction with our atmosphere differs greatly from that of our own aircraft. they don't physically touch their surroundings (including the air) while in transit as a result of their electro-magnetic propulsion system and how it negates gravity. they're in their own bubble of space time.

reply to post by FormerSkeptic


Well, first we must understand precisely what a Shock wave is....


A supersonic shock wave is a longitudinal wave of mechanical energy, that is transmitted through the air at speeds faster than the speed of sound in the material.

Normally, the sounds from the aircraft moving through the air are transmitted by compression (longitudinal wave) through the air.

In the case of a supersonic aircraft, the aircraft is pushing the air out of its way faster than the normal speed of sound, and thus you get a compression wave flowing outward from the aircraft.

This compression wave alters the dew point of the air around and behind the shock cone, which is why you get those Conical "Clouds" behind the aircraft as it travels faster than sound... because water is condensing behind the shock-wave.

So, ordinarily, the answers for our thread question would fall within the basic categories outlined by the actual physics of the shock wave phenomenon.

1. The UFO's are not really there, and thus they move no air.

2. The UFO exists within a local vacuum, and thus disturbs no air

3. The UFO alters the speed of sound of the air around itself, thus no shock wave forms.



Which basically boils down to two different explanations

a. It's not really there

b. it's not normal air


All speculation aside, this categorization should help assist you in pinning down a probable answer.

reply to post by FormerSkeptic


For sonic booms you have an air build up at any speed but at higher speed
you get a shock wave. Now air is an atomic gas mixture of positive and
negative charges and the only way to control them is from high voltage.
The high voltage effects of UFOs are all that we see unless up close landed
or in slow flight. So there is a good chance of atomic gas control.

Beyond simple gas matter control, every + & - matter is overcome by
the wave action. The reach is at the speed of light but the matter of movement
is much slower but faster than jet and rocket.

I don't consider this a description of how ET vehicles work as I would considered
this propulsion method attainable by man and only man. Just a lot of work with
electricity and air might be needed.

Text --- In a plasma the free electrons constantly produce Bremsstrahlung-[ i.e. "braking radiation" or "deceleration" --- is electromagnetic radiation produced by a charged particle when deflected by another charged particle, typically an electron by an atomic nucleus.] --- If the plasma is optically thin the bremsstrahlung radiation leaves the plasma, carrying part of the plasma energy. The moving particle loses kinetic energy, which is converted into a photon because energy is conserved.

The bremsstrahlung radiation effect....could possibly be the cause of how & why other-worlder starships absorb N/U waves

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia


and (c) - it's something beyond explanation by earthly definitions and scientific theorems. yet.

This is probably the most realistic and 'un-bull#ty' explanation there is..


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