World View: China prepares the People's Liberation Army for war.

Did you know, that there are more English speakers in China than there are English speakers in the US ....... Fact!

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No way,J20 is an F4 phantom in a pretty dress.The fuselage is way too boxy,the engines aren't vectored thrust capable nor super cruise.It's electronics aren't exactly cutting edge and as was said their aviation program doesn't produce good pilots.
An F16 has the envelope all over this beast.

there are a few themes running thru this thread that i wish to tease out a bit.

Splitinfinity does not error in his fact based assesment of status quo forces, and a linear approach to conflict (as defined by the US) would undoubtedly be checkmated very early, the US military is designed to play the big game, global war, name a theatre, they will kick your arse, make no mistake. The marines could take Beijing if it came down to it, holding it, another matter, but if the road to Bahgdad was the longest drive by in history, then the short jaunt to Beijing would be met with many surprised looking chineese. Real war is about the element of surprise, refer: nazi retreat from stalingrad. (nazi had tactical surprise, soviets, strategic surprise)

~could the chineese give the yanks a tactical surprise?, perhaps. history is littered with dien bien phus, the "too big to fails". strategicly, it would be america to trump, thats obvious by the whole paradigm of reality we live in. in fact its so self evident im aghast at the many speculations to the contrary, have these people even seen a CVBG? sure, area denial strategy, assymetric warfare, war of the flea Mao calls it. chinas plans are based on known US ability, conventional, espionage aside, just the visable power of the fleets trumps everything. its america who can make noise in the east, attack in the west, thousands of years of chineese martial history teaches them they face an unwinable battle. they are not stupid, despite some assertions.

so how does one win an unwinable battle? firstly, by not to fight it. the battle must be faught where the enemy is weakest. if you have not read art of war, which incidently takes all of fourty minutes including commentary, then it would be a good place to start.

which leads me to penninjas superlative post, that i would post in its entirety if i knew how to lol (consider it quoted) winning the unwinnable war. The Peoples War. an interesting, constantly evolving strategy, a formless plan. an abandonment of tactics in favor of strategic plan. people ought to consider its implications, allies currently have a possibility of becoming neutralised through demography.

I live in NZ, our country embraces both immigration and investment from china, and we are changing because of it, i dont personally have a stake in it, the shifting money/power balance therfore i remain neutral to the change. but it is change. what loyaltys these people have in a generation remains to be seen, but one thing is for sure, Americas Asian pivot is late, and may prove ineffectual to a containment of the chineese century.

the peoples war takes into account superior enemy fire power. China is looking to shift the battle. china plays the money game better than america. america likes to attach pesky conditions like basic human rights, china has no such qualms, none. it acts without a social conscience.

ultimately we are up against an ethnicity, currently dominated by a one party state. china was never a foe, it isnt currently, but it is a competitor, possibly with the potential to beat the west at its own game, (you never started the empire america, you inherited it) America can not win a fight if battle can not be joined, this is evident in your previous asian forrays, and it will hold true. no battle = no win. one thing any student of chineese history notices quickly is the way various emporers are revered for the population growth they achieve. a very chineese thing.

may i recommend to anyone interested in chineese history up to recent past, the podcast, china history podcast, by lazlo montgomery, an american sinophile, fluent and perhaps the most accesable entrance to chineese history, as the roman saying goes: it is right to learn from your enemy



chinas approach to the senkakus is the same as taiwan, tibet, kashmir and a myriad of other peripheral territories. they are barometers, chineese history confirms that as chinas power grows, all the countries will kowtow, with china at a zenith, even mighty Japan will acknowledge all under heaven, lol, well thats what they think. it is historically accurate, great thing with history, its always rhyming.

from the trehcnes world report dot com

China, Global Mainstream Media Urge U.S. To Enact More Gun ‘Control’


Innocent blood demands no delay for U.S. gun control

Every time a tragedy occurs, there are renewed appeals for gun regulation. However, the calls disappointingly always fail…

The latest heartbreaking deaths of the 20 schoolchildren aged five to 10 have made the crime especially unbearable. Many people can’t help but turn to the dim hope once again: the gunman’s cruelty and evil may provide a strong momentum and broader public support for the restart of gun control efforts. Moreover, with no re-election pressure, President Obama is currently in the best position to promote it…

Action speaks louder than words. If Obama wants to take practical measures to control guns, he has to make preparation for a protracted war and considerable political cost.

This brings to mind something China’s Chairman Mao said in Problems of War and Strategy, November 6, 1939:

All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The Communist Party must command all the guns. That way, no guns can ever be used to command the Party.


what are they really preparing for?

Originally posted by Mizzijr
believing this. If this truly is the case, then why weren't we dominating in iraq and afghanistan?

When it came to fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan the US military dominated.

Why did we lose so many beloved soldiers in the war based on a lie if our tech is so great?

Because the soldiers were occupying and pacifying, not waging war, and on that there is less advantage to technology.

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because they don't like immigrants much? i don't think la raza has much influence in china

China will not to to war with the US and vice versa.

imho...China's master plan is to steal and develop technology enough to neutralize, if not completely shut out, potential missile/ship attacks from us (presumably in defense of Taiwan, Japan, etc). they will hold the stick of counter weapons--and potential strikes of their own--and the carrot of selling continued cheap goods and buying our debt. like the US in the cold war, they will try to get us to bankrupt ourselves in an effort to maintain mlitary competitiveness (the USSR wanted to catch up, the US wants to stay ahead).

presumably, one day in the future the US will be in an economic crisis, make massive cuts to the military (sequestration?), and China will make a move (Taiwan, Japan, Spratlys, China Sea) and sweetly point out to the US that 1) US lacks the military strength to do much about it, and 2) if we stay quiet they'll be happy to buy more of our debt.
China will dominate the Pacific, Russia will dominate Europe, the US will flounder around, and the Muslims will make tons of $ selling oil to everyone (EVERYONE). (this will be part of the US' economic problem).
Oil/energy will drive a lot of this. I see China inevitably move towards Indonesia, the only major oil source in the far East.