reply to post by jonnywhite
Freedom from debt.
Freedom from fear.
Freedom from pain.
Freedom from death.
Freedom from obligations.
This is your list of freedoms. We have to have a body to experience any of those. Only the last would apply to perhaps not having a physical
This was what I wrote in my first response to the OP:
Your body is the first sphere of nonlocality for your consciousness, in a physical environment of layers......
Further, our lessons here, wherever that is, seem to be about the link and balance between our consciousness, identity, soul, however these fit
together, and the physical realmwe experience with our bodies, producing feelings and/or emotions, which are the physical reactions our bodies
provide and experience when effected by the environment, others, and/or actions or happenings....
What I am saying here is what you are, in a different way, perhaps more philosophically and less concrete, so you missed it. That is about the
balance of how we relate to the environment encompassing our consciousness housed within our bodies housed within this environment--and obviously, its
This was another take on what OP said about mechanism
, or means by which this place operates:
I believe, as well, that "here" is designed in such a way that in order to survive, it appears we have sold our souls, or gone against the nature of
life, or committed some crime against other life, to both show that we belong here and that life is itself, evil, inherently.
Think about it: the design, as you described it OP, for our survival in the environment, is that we must at some point, in some way take the energy
from another living thing in order to continue on ourselves. This is just speaking to the basic needs part of your description. Taking it further, it
seems increasingly we must absorb or destroy anothers' opportunities in order to achieve more than survival. It is one of the reasons our structure
of popularly viewed success is scaled most efficiently by the sociopathic.
This alludes to the rules, how they are set up, in this environment, and how it further builds and justifies the "cage." It also alludes to some
rules which taken to the end of their continuum, seem to hijack the soul, at the very least. It certainly does not seek to elude responsibilities or
obligations. It speaks to a level above that, if you will, so that you can see a bigger picture, here, possibly.
But I have to doubt that it would really change anything since it's hard for me to imagine a reality where my actions cannot impact others
Living as spirit, without a body, does not necessarily mean your actions could not impact others, nor that we would not intermingle or have to learn
to have relations with one another. It would be on another level. When you are in love and you heart is broken, no one has to act to do that. They
can simply say things and exemplify them to show that they do not return this or be hurtful. Not living as spirit, we don't really know, as we are
now dependent on our physical experience and perception of it, but I would imagine that there are ways to feel, even as a spirit, and give feeling,
and communicate...... But what no one could do is restrain your body and torture you, leaving you a broken shell of a person perpetually and never
able again to trust another human being.
I can't imagine a reality where there's no conservation of energy. As in, I can't imagine a reality where things don't run out or do not have
limits. Just as I can't imagine having a name if I'm infinite. How can something that has no beginning or end have a name? I think that since
there's probably no such thing as infinite resources for everyone forever then there'll always be rules placed on things. And since there're always
rules then there's no absolute freedom. Only a measure of freedom.
What does naming something have to do with its infinity? The name is not its definition. I could understand not being able to define an infinite
thing, but we could all still agree what to call it, could we not? Without bodies we would need no infinite resources, that's part of the point of
The universe, indeed, does seem infinite. We can only see so far, that's all. The same conundrum, if you will, between naming infinity and defining
it, in a way. If the universe is infinite, it is quite probable that there is limitless energy. And quite probably the answers to the end of limits,
the end of basic needs and those doing without, the end of pain and suffering, even, no matter what you believe, is here already, but there is
something keeping us from it. Finding those answers and the something keeping us from it and why, are all linked together....
Just my opinion.