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Like your theory
Their push for gun control and reverse psychology. They want us to stock up., page 3
reply posted on 21-1-2013 @ 07:07 PM by Retikx
Originally posted by Pervius
Every single American's firearm is worthless.
They could never be used to protect anything.
President Obama sold China America's LRAD weapons. If China wanted to attack America they would aim the LRAD's they have at you and have you nullified and unable to use your brain....let alone your firearm.....before the Chinese ever got in range of your puny rifle.
China could take America now. Not only take it, take it within 60 days.
Obama's the LAST President of the United States of America. He single handedly helped the adversary take over. ""His kids will be well off""....indeed.
LRAD??? ...LOL...
This: $675 000 device
Can be defeated by this: 50 Cent device At beyond 1000 yards.
LRADS are useless in warfare. Same goes for ground based microwave and active denial systems. One single bullet through the middle and its done.
reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 09:36 AM by candlelight
This is quite informitive, it is a timeline of events leading up to now. Link: www.knowthelies.com.../3778
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candlelight because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 12:15 PM by comfortablynumb
reply to post by Mr Tranny
Like I mentioned in the Al Qaeda post here are some ideas I had a while back, I think it was just after Bush's 2002 State of the Union address where he lists the axis of evil.
I heard that and started thinking about those players named and what would I do if I were them. I tried to think like I would imagine our intelligence agencies would think; tried to figure out what might be happening behind the scenes. If you worked for intelligence, wouldn't you always try to think as if you were your enemy or possible future enemy, much like a great police detective tries to think like the criminal they are investigating?
OK, so if you were to try and think like the group (namely Al-Qaeda at the time) and countries (namely Iran and North Korea at the time) that we were supposedly against, what would they do? Or what would you do if you were them?
Before I go any further, I DO NOT wish any of the events I describe below to take place, I am merely describing how I would act if I were the people in question below; only trying to think like them.
Iran and North Korea:
I'll start with the Iran and North Korea idea (again remember these were my thoughts back in early 2002). If I were either nation, I would be working closely and clandestinely with the other on all military and weapons projects and make sure I did nothing until the other did, in fact, my intelligence and military intelligence agencies would be working so close to the other nation's equivalent that any engagement or attack would be coordinated and concerted.
Remember at the time the U.S. were already in Afghanistan and there was strong rhetoric of an Iraq invasion force; this would spread the U.S. forces very thinly and given time, they would be spread thin and weary. That is when both nations would (in my opinion back then) begin attacks in their respective regions in a concerted manner. I expected that Iran would garner support from some Islamic nations in their region and North Korea would perhaps have China's support; don't forget Russia's link to Iran either. In my mind, this seemed like the exact thing I would do if I were a leader of either of those axis nations.
Outcome of this scenario? I think this scenario would cause such chaos that I wonder how well our allied forces could handle it. I don't know. I begun to think this scenario less likely in the last few years but it's always been in the back of my mind and until recently might be a possibility again. I hope not!
Al-Qaeda:
Now this idea came to mind, again not long after 9/11. If I were Al-Qaeda, I would be trying to send agents to western countries from countries/regions that have terrorist training camps and just have them say that they're fleeing worn torn countries and yes most REALLY are, but again, if I was trying to build a militia in western countries this is what I would do and it's more perfect if the vast majority are legitimately fleeing worn torn countries. It's almost the same concept as using human shields.
These groups would then take time to slowly gain supplies; not just weapons but food and other necessities that would be required and hard to come by once any conflict starts.
By the way, just a side note: there have been training camps found by authorities in western countries.
Once ready, these groups would each have zones they are to take and then cordon off. The attacks would need to be many, large (in terms of troops) and concerted (I understand I have a theme of attacks being concerted; that simply makes any response significantly harder). These attacks would all occur in the early hours of the morning so that most are caught off guard.
I want to reiterate that I do not endorse these actions nor do I want to ever see these events take place. I used to be interested in working as an intelligence analyst (I'm an idealist and believed there were and still are good people in our governments; they're not all bad) and as such always tried to look at our world through the eyes of our purported enemies; those whom wish to inflict terror on the good citizens of the world who simply wish to live a peaceful life with their family and friends. Now I focus on comedy and will have a late night radio show soon.
I know this is a long post and I think there are other scenarios that our enemies may wish to engage on the populous but it's important to think of these scenarios and hopefully take the legs of their possible plans out from under them so that they cannot go ahead.
Mr Tranny: thank you for your posts and I wonder if maybe our governments letting themselves be the punching bags as a utilitarian way to serve the greater good.
Like I mentioned in the Al Qaeda post here are some ideas I had a while back, I think it was just after Bush's 2002 State of the Union address where he lists the axis of evil.
I heard that and started thinking about those players named and what would I do if I were them. I tried to think like I would imagine our intelligence agencies would think; tried to figure out what might be happening behind the scenes. If you worked for intelligence, wouldn't you always try to think as if you were your enemy or possible future enemy, much like a great police detective tries to think like the criminal they are investigating?
OK, so if you were to try and think like the group (namely Al-Qaeda at the time) and countries (namely Iran and North Korea at the time) that we were supposedly against, what would they do? Or what would you do if you were them?
Before I go any further, I DO NOT wish any of the events I describe below to take place, I am merely describing how I would act if I were the people in question below; only trying to think like them.
Iran and North Korea:
I'll start with the Iran and North Korea idea (again remember these were my thoughts back in early 2002). If I were either nation, I would be working closely and clandestinely with the other on all military and weapons projects and make sure I did nothing until the other did, in fact, my intelligence and military intelligence agencies would be working so close to the other nation's equivalent that any engagement or attack would be coordinated and concerted.
Remember at the time the U.S. were already in Afghanistan and there was strong rhetoric of an Iraq invasion force; this would spread the U.S. forces very thinly and given time, they would be spread thin and weary. That is when both nations would (in my opinion back then) begin attacks in their respective regions in a concerted manner. I expected that Iran would garner support from some Islamic nations in their region and North Korea would perhaps have China's support; don't forget Russia's link to Iran either. In my mind, this seemed like the exact thing I would do if I were a leader of either of those axis nations.
Outcome of this scenario? I think this scenario would cause such chaos that I wonder how well our allied forces could handle it. I don't know. I begun to think this scenario less likely in the last few years but it's always been in the back of my mind and until recently might be a possibility again. I hope not!
Al-Qaeda:
Now this idea came to mind, again not long after 9/11. If I were Al-Qaeda, I would be trying to send agents to western countries from countries/regions that have terrorist training camps and just have them say that they're fleeing worn torn countries and yes most REALLY are, but again, if I was trying to build a militia in western countries this is what I would do and it's more perfect if the vast majority are legitimately fleeing worn torn countries. It's almost the same concept as using human shields.
These groups would then take time to slowly gain supplies; not just weapons but food and other necessities that would be required and hard to come by once any conflict starts.
By the way, just a side note: there have been training camps found by authorities in western countries.
Once ready, these groups would each have zones they are to take and then cordon off. The attacks would need to be many, large (in terms of troops) and concerted (I understand I have a theme of attacks being concerted; that simply makes any response significantly harder). These attacks would all occur in the early hours of the morning so that most are caught off guard.
I want to reiterate that I do not endorse these actions nor do I want to ever see these events take place. I used to be interested in working as an intelligence analyst (I'm an idealist and believed there were and still are good people in our governments; they're not all bad) and as such always tried to look at our world through the eyes of our purported enemies; those whom wish to inflict terror on the good citizens of the world who simply wish to live a peaceful life with their family and friends. Now I focus on comedy and will have a late night radio show soon.
I know this is a long post and I think there are other scenarios that our enemies may wish to engage on the populous but it's important to think of these scenarios and hopefully take the legs of their possible plans out from under them so that they cannot go ahead.
Mr Tranny: thank you for your posts and I wonder if maybe our governments letting themselves be the punching bags as a utilitarian way to serve the greater good.
edit on 31/1/2013 by comfortablynumb because: Noticed a typo.
reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 01:42 PM by GoOfYFoOt
reply to post by Mr Tranny
Thank you for the OP. I enjoy thinking about things in a different way, to expand both my knowledge of interesting topics, as well as the opportunity to elaborate on them, for the benefit of others.
I have always been a firm believer of the adage, "Just follow the money"... And, while I see the logic in your analysis, you have only taken it a step or two. What about the others, that would be planned in the "5 steps ahead" approach of our intelligence community?
Obviously, whatever TPTB have in store, it must maintain their ability to continue doing what they do, or at least return them to their journey, as quickly as possible. If they are relying on the GDP of the U.S. to facilitate their continuing accumulation of money and power, then the U.S. must continue to produce. If they are relying on taxpayers, then they must ensure a prosperous economy. But, if they are relying on a plan that results in global domination, then the other two, are not necessarily important, as long as they maintain control, of the nation.
So, in your scenario, they are concerned enough about a potential attack on their positions, that they feel can not be defended with their current means, OR, perhaps there is another motive behind a covert escalation of private fiearms ownership?
Let's say that a ban, registration and future confiscation becomes law. How would it affect the economy, if a bunch of three letter agencies, began grabbing stocks of weapons from the manufacturers and the FFLs, all over the country? It would most likely put a majority of them out of business! Would this be conducive to their plans? BUT...if all of those weapons had been sold to the public, a confiscation would be less detrimental to the economy. Plus, who really believes that those weapons get destroyed?
So, they make money on the sales, of all of these weapons. They make money on the registering of all of them, and then they make money when they sell them to whoever, upon relieving the citizens of them, once they become illegal...
What say you?
Thank you for the OP. I enjoy thinking about things in a different way, to expand both my knowledge of interesting topics, as well as the opportunity to elaborate on them, for the benefit of others.
I have always been a firm believer of the adage, "Just follow the money"... And, while I see the logic in your analysis, you have only taken it a step or two. What about the others, that would be planned in the "5 steps ahead" approach of our intelligence community?
Obviously, whatever TPTB have in store, it must maintain their ability to continue doing what they do, or at least return them to their journey, as quickly as possible. If they are relying on the GDP of the U.S. to facilitate their continuing accumulation of money and power, then the U.S. must continue to produce. If they are relying on taxpayers, then they must ensure a prosperous economy. But, if they are relying on a plan that results in global domination, then the other two, are not necessarily important, as long as they maintain control, of the nation.
So, in your scenario, they are concerned enough about a potential attack on their positions, that they feel can not be defended with their current means, OR, perhaps there is another motive behind a covert escalation of private fiearms ownership?
Let's say that a ban, registration and future confiscation becomes law. How would it affect the economy, if a bunch of three letter agencies, began grabbing stocks of weapons from the manufacturers and the FFLs, all over the country? It would most likely put a majority of them out of business! Would this be conducive to their plans? BUT...if all of those weapons had been sold to the public, a confiscation would be less detrimental to the economy. Plus, who really believes that those weapons get destroyed?
So, they make money on the sales, of all of these weapons. They make money on the registering of all of them, and then they make money when they sell them to whoever, upon relieving the citizens of them, once they become illegal...
What say you?
reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 03:05 PM by Mr Tranny
Something else that just ran through my mind that I remember from a while ago.
In an article where they was talking about the gun problems down in Mexico. A reporter talked about where Mexican officials took them on a tour of a warehouse where they have stored guns they have seized from drug cartels, and other illegal shipments. The reporter said there was over a 100,000 guns in that one building. And they said that there was many more warehouses full of seized guns like that throughout Mexico.
I will have to see if I can drag up the article.
It just dawned on me. Why are they stockpiling that many seized weapons?
Maintaining and guarding a large warehouse full of weapons is not cheap.
After a while, it would seam logical to load them on dump trucks and take them to a steel mill to be melted down, to clear up space.
And melting them down would keep the drug cartels from stealing them and using them against the Mexican government again.
Once in a while, the cartels do make a raid on a warehouse and steal a few, but they only a small portion of the weapons when they do make a raid. That is because there is no way to physically steal that many guns at once.
What is the point of piling up guns like cordwood?
They can not sell them to the civilians, As the Mexican guns laws are now.
Thus, begs the question.
Are they stockpiling them in case conflict breaks out, to arm the civilians if the need arise?
……….edit………..
lets see……
in middle 2009 they said they had 300,000+ guns stockpiled.
tucsoncitizen.com...
In late 2009 they started destroying 79,000 that dated back from over a decade ago.
In the article, they openly state they are keeping the better guns.
www.nbcnews.com...
In three and a half years, they took in over 180,000
spaces.icgpartners.com...
Where does that put their current number.
I would say around 400,000
.........edit 2............
This statement from the first link peaked my interest.
Why are they cleaning weapons if they are keeping them for evidence? That would destroy the evidence value. You wouldn’t clean them if you were destroying them either. That is pointless.
You would only be cleaning them if you were putting them back so they will be ready to use later.
They said that only some are being dismantled and destroyed. I would say those are the truly junk ones.
A few pics
tucsoncitizen.com...
msnbcmedia3.msn.com...
Racks of carefully cleaned categorized and prepped weapons as far as they eye can see.
No, Mexico isn’t stockpiling arms in preparation for all out war, why would you think that?
In an article where they was talking about the gun problems down in Mexico. A reporter talked about where Mexican officials took them on a tour of a warehouse where they have stored guns they have seized from drug cartels, and other illegal shipments. The reporter said there was over a 100,000 guns in that one building. And they said that there was many more warehouses full of seized guns like that throughout Mexico.
I will have to see if I can drag up the article.
It just dawned on me. Why are they stockpiling that many seized weapons?
Maintaining and guarding a large warehouse full of weapons is not cheap.
After a while, it would seam logical to load them on dump trucks and take them to a steel mill to be melted down, to clear up space.
And melting them down would keep the drug cartels from stealing them and using them against the Mexican government again.
Once in a while, the cartels do make a raid on a warehouse and steal a few, but they only a small portion of the weapons when they do make a raid. That is because there is no way to physically steal that many guns at once.
What is the point of piling up guns like cordwood?
They can not sell them to the civilians, As the Mexican guns laws are now.
Thus, begs the question.
Are they stockpiling them in case conflict breaks out, to arm the civilians if the need arise?
……….edit………..
lets see……
in middle 2009 they said they had 300,000+ guns stockpiled.
tucsoncitizen.com...
In late 2009 they started destroying 79,000 that dated back from over a decade ago.
In the article, they openly state they are keeping the better guns.
www.nbcnews.com...
In three and a half years, they took in over 180,000
spaces.icgpartners.com...
Where does that put their current number.
I would say around 400,000
.........edit 2............
This statement from the first link peaked my interest.
Inside, another 10 soldiers sort, clean and catalog weapons.
Why are they cleaning weapons if they are keeping them for evidence? That would destroy the evidence value. You wouldn’t clean them if you were destroying them either. That is pointless.
You would only be cleaning them if you were putting them back so they will be ready to use later.
They said that only some are being dismantled and destroyed. I would say those are the truly junk ones.
A few pics
tucsoncitizen.com...
msnbcmedia3.msn.com...
Racks of carefully cleaned categorized and prepped weapons as far as they eye can see.
No, Mexico isn’t stockpiling arms in preparation for all out war, why would you think that?
edit on 31-1-2013 by Mr Tranny because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 31-1-2013 @ 05:11 PM by dianashay
reply to post by Mr Tranny
You are assuming that your govt cares enough for you to take such threats of the homeland so seriously that they would silently trick you into arming yourselves for your own benefit.
None of the true leaders/owners of the US have actual interest in this country, they likely don't even live in the US most of the time and to them it is an eye-sore and would be glad to be rid of.
Your thread did give me thought of another agenda though, so I thank you, OP.
You are assuming that your govt cares enough for you to take such threats of the homeland so seriously that they would silently trick you into arming yourselves for your own benefit.
None of the true leaders/owners of the US have actual interest in this country, they likely don't even live in the US most of the time and to them it is an eye-sore and would be glad to be rid of.
Your thread did give me thought of another agenda though, so I thank you, OP.
reply posted on 2-2-2013 @ 02:51 AM by Mr Tranny
I will throw in an article I mentioned on another thread.
www.mirror.co.uk...
More than 23 thousand AK47 rifles are just “missing” in the uk.
People “believe” that they are going to be going to foreign war zones.
You would think that if 23 thousand fully auto weapons were loose in the UK, the authorities would be going door to door looking for them and making raids. But they didn’t do anything until an NGO made it public, and demanded something be done. And even after they arrested him, they just went “Ow well, I guess we will never know where they went”
All in all.
90 thousand rifles from that one transaction were shipped to UK, Germany, and Switzerland, through a “Croatian broker who also acts for the US Department of Defence”
Who knows how many weapons in total where moved into “unknown locations”.
Several million?
Maybe more?
The trial of the person in question was probably just a show trial, and the person will be given a different name and be sent to some other country after everything settles down so he can go back to a normal life.
If you look at it through the view of my theory, the actions make perfect sense.
The reason why the UK government reacted with disregard is because they already knew that it was happening. The activities were intentional to allow them to covertly stockpile weapons recovered from other countries without the public knowing. The US, through it’s sphere of influence is helping guide those weapons to those specified stockpiles in various ally countries without outside public knowledge.
As for as the public knows, the guns were transferred through legal international UK arms dealers destined for other countries, and they just happen to “disappear” when they go through the UK. Just conveniently add them to the total number of arms that “disappear” from the legal market.
www.mirror.co.uk...
More than 23 thousand AK47 rifles are just “missing” in the uk.
People “believe” that they are going to be going to foreign war zones.
You would think that if 23 thousand fully auto weapons were loose in the UK, the authorities would be going door to door looking for them and making raids. But they didn’t do anything until an NGO made it public, and demanded something be done. And even after they arrested him, they just went “Ow well, I guess we will never know where they went”
All in all.
90 thousand rifles from that one transaction were shipped to UK, Germany, and Switzerland, through a “Croatian broker who also acts for the US Department of Defence”
Who knows how many weapons in total where moved into “unknown locations”.
Several million?
Maybe more?
The trial of the person in question was probably just a show trial, and the person will be given a different name and be sent to some other country after everything settles down so he can go back to a normal life.
If you look at it through the view of my theory, the actions make perfect sense.
The reason why the UK government reacted with disregard is because they already knew that it was happening. The activities were intentional to allow them to covertly stockpile weapons recovered from other countries without the public knowing. The US, through it’s sphere of influence is helping guide those weapons to those specified stockpiles in various ally countries without outside public knowledge.
As for as the public knows, the guns were transferred through legal international UK arms dealers destined for other countries, and they just happen to “disappear” when they go through the UK. Just conveniently add them to the total number of arms that “disappear” from the legal market.
edit on 2-2-2013 by Mr Tranny because: (no reason given)
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