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Not sure this is thread about whose lifestyle is better or worse (highly subjective) but rather that American rights are being stripped, slowly and surely, from them, and that the "gun" argument is not the issue at all, but rather the strawman on the stage.
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by LetsGoViking
Of course this isn’t about gun violence. This is about disarmament and always has been. You have a problem though. A lot of people here WANT to be protected because they are firmly glued to the nipple of government. They need and want Big Brother to wipe their butts, feed them, give the medical care, and now also protect them from the boogey man.
Originally posted by MrSpad
What I find amussing is people think they are having rights stripped away. Has nobody read Amrican History? Can people who claim to be losing rights truely be complete ignorant of out history? Because, we have more rights now than ever. Maybe we forget the very basics of nobody but white men with land even being able to vote, black people that were not even counted as an entire person, that protesters were shot and beaten by everyone from the police, the military and private companies, that you could be grabbed up at anytime and sent off to war, that Amricans were put into camps because they had a Japanese back ground. And those are just big things that anybody with a passing knowledge of American history should know. We have had assualt weapons bans before and guess what, nobody took anybodys guns they just stopped selling them, even Reagan suppoted it. So enough with all the we are losing our rights BS. Try picking up a history book and stop getting your information from people who are making money off the lunatic fringe.
Disarmament and the reason behind disarmament. A few are getting it, and more everyday. We just need to keep getting the word out.
Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by LetsGoViking
No it is not. It's about paranoia and some sick fantasy that some gullible undiagnosed mental cases have stuck in their head about some made up New World Order , Project Blueballs and Eugenics coming to get them and they wanna fight a freaking war.
That's what it's about. They all need to be institutionalized. I am sick of the gun deaths.
Originally posted by maxzen2004
reply to post by LetsGoViking
Our constitution rights are not being violated, we need to stop pshycho's that think they are taking our guns away.
Assult weaphons ban is a good idea, the people scared out of your minds about your guns need mental help!
The people are caring more about guns that children being murdered.
Originally posted by CaptainBeno
reply to post by CaticusMaximus
Youre totally right, it is about liberty and freedom, and thats why its so hard for some foreigners to be able to process it all, because theyve given away there freedoms for the illusionary security Big Brother offered them.
Um? I think YOU think you know that, but you're wrong?
I'm a foreigner to the US but what freedoms have I given up? I live in Perth Austrlia, perhaps you would like to explain to me and fellow posters what freedoms as an Australian I have given up and what illusions are being played out in front of me?
Lets see:
I got a 5 bedroom house
I got a three figure pay starting with 2
I have a great life
Got some fabulous cars
Beach on the doorstep
Beautiful daughter.
Can do what I want when I want
No crime
No violence
Perfect job
Great Public transport
Awesome City with bars and cafes etc
Ok, we have a ranga controlling our nation, but on a whole everything is perfect?
So go on, give it your best shot?
I'm guessing your area is not like that,
More like:
Violence
Guns
Rapes
Bad public transport
Can't walk anywhere at night
Bad jobs
Crap pay
etc etc etc?
And you think I live in an illusion?
Yeah right.
Originally posted by CaptainBeno
I have made my opinion clear in other threads
BUT I would like to say that that was a well writen thread indeed.
And
Finally someone puts it all into one well writen post.
Nice one
PS, are you sure you don't want to stamp up and down, spit the dummy and tell me to mind my own business?
"that from and after five years from the passing of this act, muskets for arming the militia as herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound.
Originally posted by LetsGoViking
I think that the hoopla surrounding the "Gun" issue in the wake of the horrendous and sad crime in Newtown is not about the weapons at all.
Originally posted by LetsGoViking
reply to post by McGinty
Indeed. I removed my children from public schools after such an incident was thwarted. My children are now proficient in arms usage. The weapons are not the issue, it's the culture of disregard that is being foisted upon us by the media et al. I would like to remind everyone that most of the horrific crimes have occurred in heavily controlled states and countries. If the bad guys want to get a weapon, they will not care if it's legal, they will just get it. Consider Norway.
It's not the weapons that at issue here, it's the right to defend ourselves that is at stake. And there are two sides to this issue, the nanny state supporters who say, "it's the police that will defend and protect you" crowd who take no personal responsibility for their own protection and everyone else. And for what it's worth: it takes the police an average of 15 minutes to respond in my area. My entire family would be dead and the bad guys 10 minutes down the road before the police arrived. No thank you.
Originally posted by maxzen2004
reply to post by LetsGoViking
Our constitution rights are not being violated, we need to stop pshycho's that think they are taking our guns away.
Assult weaphons ban is a good idea, the people scared out of your minds about your guns need mental help!
The people are caring more about guns that children being murdered.
Hypothetically speaking, would you still advocate that opinion if your child were a school shooting victim (God forbid) ?