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Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by dogstar23
but what is with this sudden obsession people have with wanting to deport foreigners, legally in this country for expressing their views? Would it suddenly make everyone feel better if he had to wake up at an odd hour to broadcast his piece live at the same time slot? We're not under an iron curtain (though obviously many are clamoring for us to be) - it doesn't matter where he is located, we have satellites
Well, you are quite right that our freedom of speech does differentiate us say...from the former German empire, or Mussolini's Italy, or perhaps some Marxist guerilla dictatorship in South American or Africa. Also, Prez Wilson did introduce the Sedition Act.
Most Americans just don't think that condemning the Constitution is cool, that is unless you are far left leaning...
Although, I'm conservative (duh), I do have to say that the country wasn't always too keen to completely leave the 1st amendment alone, think about the communist scare directly after ww2, freedom of speech was heavily tightened, maybe legitimately......but it's not like the 1st was always upheld throughout history.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by ConservativeAwakening
Although, I'm conservative (duh), I do have to say that the country wasn't always too keen to completely leave the 1st amendment alone, think about the communist scare directly after ww2, freedom of speech was heavily tightened, maybe legitimately......but it's not like the 1st was always upheld throughout history.
I hear what you are saying, truly. I don't think our Founding Fathers mixed up the concept of freedom of the press with the right to do or say anything without consequences, as we know that even with our focus on liberties, we do not as a general rule have the right to murder people without it being a matter of self defense. Even then we have to prove our lives were in danger.
Prez Wilson was bordering on fascism and was quite Progressive as Presidents go.
I myself am convinced that leftists and Communist agitators use our own freedoms against us to move their agendas forward, but I am certain they would like to eliminate them altogether.
Communism is a system, at least as practiced in most countries it has been tried, which employs a method of forcing people to comply in a most violent and brutal way, whereas socialism attempts to get people to agree with the positions more voluntarily, but still in a forced environment, as with legislation such as EPA regulations against business to disrupt the free market.
Originally posted by HairlessApe
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by dogstar23
but what is with this sudden obsession people have with wanting to deport foreigners, legally in this country for expressing their views? Would it suddenly make everyone feel better if he had to wake up at an odd hour to broadcast his piece live at the same time slot? We're not under an iron curtain (though obviously many are clamoring for us to be) - it doesn't matter where he is located, we have satellites
Well, you are quite right that our freedom of speech does differentiate us say...from the former German empire, or Mussolini's Italy, or perhaps some Marxist guerilla dictatorship in South American or Africa. Also, Prez Wilson did introduce the Sedition Act.
Most Americans just don't think that condemning the Constitution is cool, that is unless you are far left leaning...
Although, I'm conservative (duh), I do have to say that the country wasn't always too keen to completely leave the 1st amendment alone, think about the communist scare directly after ww2, freedom of speech was heavily tightened, maybe legitimately......but it's not like the 1st was always upheld throughout history.
It's a well known fact that the red scare was a tool used by government agencies to take away the rights of it's own citizens. If I want to talk smack about my own government, what's the problem? Should I be tossed out of the country because people don't like what I'm saying, even though I have no plans to take radical/extremist action?
Originally posted by SpearMint
Think for yourself, the constitution is redundant and outdated.
Originally posted by itbenickp
Something i just thought of, if SHTF do you think PM will stay in this coutry that he supposedly loves? No, he will be among the first to run off. Probably saying "i knew the govt would turn tyranical" or some other BS. This is NOT his country, he is not an american citizen. That be said, he does have a right to his opinion, everyone on this planet has a right to their opinion. But when you are in a foreign country, exposing beliefs that are contrary to what that country was built on, you should be alot more conientientious (spelling?) of what you are saying. You should not call some one an "unbelievably stupid man" in THEIR country for stating their beleif in thier governing document.
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Originally posted by itbenickp
Something i just thought of, if SHTF do you think PM will stay in this coutry that he supposedly loves? No, he will be among the first to run off. Probably saying "i knew the govt would turn tyranical" or some other BS. This is NOT his country, he is not an american citizen. That be said, he does have a right to his opinion, everyone on this planet has a right to their opinion. But when you are in a foreign country, exposing beliefs that are contrary to what that country was built on, you should be alot more conientientious (spelling?) of what you are saying. You should not call some one an "unbelievably stupid man" in THEIR country for stating their beleif in thier governing document.
THIS
Originally posted by itbenickp
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Originally posted by itbenickp
Something i just thought of, if SHTF do you think PM will stay in this coutry that he supposedly loves? No, he will be among the first to run off. Probably saying "i knew the govt would turn tyranical" or some other BS. This is NOT his country, he is not an american citizen. That be said, he does have a right to his opinion, everyone on this planet has a right to their opinion. But when you are in a foreign country, exposing beliefs that are contrary to what that country was built on, you should be alot more conientientious (spelling?) of what you are saying. You should not call some one an "unbelievably stupid man" in THEIR country for stating their beleif in thier governing document.
THIS
HUH?
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Originally posted by itbenickp
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
Originally posted by itbenickp
Something i just thought of, if SHTF do you think PM will stay in this coutry that he supposedly loves? No, he will be among the first to run off. Probably saying "i knew the govt would turn tyranical" or some other BS. This is NOT his country, he is not an american citizen. That be said, he does have a right to his opinion, everyone on this planet has a right to their opinion. But when you are in a foreign country, exposing beliefs that are contrary to what that country was built on, you should be alot more conientientious (spelling?) of what you are saying. You should not call some one an "unbelievably stupid man" in THEIR country for stating their beleif in thier governing document.
THIS
HUH?
I was saying that I agree with you. "THIS" is just a dumb short form.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by ConservativeAwakening
Although, I'm conservative (duh), I do have to say that the country wasn't always too keen to completely leave the 1st amendment alone, think about the communist scare directly after ww2, freedom of speech was heavily tightened, maybe legitimately......but it's not like the 1st was always upheld throughout history.
I hear what you are saying, truly. I don't think our Founding Fathers mixed up the concept of freedom of the press with the right to do or say anything without consequences, as we know that even with our focus on liberties, we do not as a general rule have the right to murder people without it being a matter of self defense. Even then we have to prove our lives were in danger.
It's a well known fact that the red scare was a tool used by government agencies to take away the rights of it's own citizens. If I want to talk smack about my own government, what's the problem? Should I be tossed out of the country because people don't like what I'm saying, even though I have no plans to take radical/extremist action?
Originally posted by ConservativeAwakening
I don't agree. I wouldn't say the post ww2 administration for the next 20 years did consciously want to take away rights. there was legitimate fear of the communist, or to be fair to the lefties, stalinist communist ideology sweeping into the states. Even pre ww2! killings, agitations, assassinations, it all happened, in the name of communism and a bolshevist style revolt. the government at the time only reacted to it, granted, in a pretty harsh way, but think about what COULD have happened if they weren't tight on the reds.
No you dont. As your George Zimmerman case clearly shows, if you aren't black, you just have to be able to convince your arresting officers and those at the station that you really really were in fear of your life and have a few accompanying cuts and dinks, then you can walk out of the cop shop within 6 hrs.
Originally posted by ajay59
Originally posted by SpearMint
Well his belittling of the constitution is quite justified. It's outdated and treated like no one would be free without it. It could be destroyed today and there would be no difference, if anything it's a hindrance because it blinds people from reality while they protect their "freedom".
If you have a problem with this country and the documents that created it, don't let the door hit you in the azz while leaving it! You are a traitor to this nation if you believe what you say to be true!edit on 12-1-2013 by ajay59 because: (no reason given)