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posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 06:36 PM
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I'll add my own experience...

I did this about 4 years ago with ANZ.
The Strawman movement was in its infancy and the documents and processes to do this were scarce and hard to find.

But I went through the process and sent about 3 letters to ANZ questioning where the money came from and if I could see a copy of my ink signed contract with them (which they cannot provide as they destroy them).

I never got a response back from ANZ in the manner I expected... But I stopped receiving phones calls about the debt, I stopped receiving letters demanding payment.
I did still receive letters saying my loan account interest rate had changed et c.

But to this day, ANZ has not harassed me or seeked legal action concerning my $40K "debt" with them.
I guess I had already paid off the 10% they probably actually loaned me.
However, considering they just put in 1's and 0's into the banking system... I very much doubt they actually "lend" anyone any money.

I know this works.

In regards to the Taxes thing...
Never really looked into it, but having read our original Australian Constitution and seeing the Commonwealth of Australia Seal on it, I know that Australian Taxes are VOLUNTARY.

And something I just learned the past week... Our local Councils are illegal... They have no legal standing in the Constitution or by referendum.
Thus they cannot charge anyone rates because that is a tax on their home; which by the Constitution that only the Federal Government can institute taxation.
As goes for local fines are illegal also.

Such a wonderful age of enlightenment we are living in...
But be aware, that the Federal Government will be forwarding another referendum to seek legitimacy of Local Governments soon to close this "loop hole".




posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by wycky
An NGO Non Government Organisation means that the Government / ATO has no access to my records
A normal business setup is a Government Organisation, it means that the Government and ATO can access your.


You have been conned out of $1400...

www.ato.gov.au.../content/33150.htm&mnu=45425&mfp=001/004
www.ato.gov.au...
australia.gov.au...

The ATO is awake to con artists, you will get caught!


I will be forced to take further action under Section 1 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997. '


That is a UK law, you are in Australia.... you are very very confused!


You have been conned. The ATO is not going to tell you that you can it.
I have setup a NGO, I do not need to follow their rules.
Talk to your accountant, I did and everything i have done is by the book and lawful.

As I said the getofdebtfree.org is a UK site and doobydoll is from the UK.



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Sovaka
I'll add my own experience...

I did this about 4 years ago with ANZ.
The Strawman movement was in its infancy and the documents and processes to do this were scarce and hard to find.

But I went through the process and sent about 3 letters to ANZ questioning where the money came from and if I could see a copy of my ink signed contract with them (which they cannot provide as they destroy them).

I never got a response back from ANZ in the manner I expected... But I stopped receiving phones calls about the debt, I stopped receiving letters demanding payment.
I did still receive letters saying my loan account interest rate had changed et c.

But to this day, ANZ has not harassed me or seeked legal action concerning my $40K "debt" with them.
I guess I had already paid off the 10% they probably actually loaned me.
However, considering they just put in 1's and 0's into the banking system... I very much doubt they actually "lend" anyone any money.

I know this works.

In regards to the Taxes thing...
Never really looked into it, but having read our original Australian Constitution and seeing the Commonwealth of Australia Seal on it, I know that Australian Taxes are VOLUNTARY.

And something I just learned the past week... Our local Councils are illegal... They have no legal standing in the Constitution or by referendum.
Thus they cannot charge anyone rates because that is a tax on their home; which by the Constitution that only the Federal Government can institute taxation.
As goes for local fines are illegal also.

Such a wonderful age of enlightenment we are living in...
But be aware, that the Federal Government will be forwarding another referendum to seek legitimacy of Local Governments soon to close this "loop hole".


Nice work!
I am happy to meet someone else that has wiped their debts, there are more and more popping up

You are correct income tax is voluntary and setting up a NGO is an easy way of doing this.

I posted this in 2009 stating that the ATO can local Councils are Illegal entities under the Australian Constitution ATO & local Councils are Illegal Entities



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by wycky
Here is mine


I have nothing to gain from this, I am just passing on what i have learnt and trying to help others.
I spent approx a year learning about this, Strawman theory and a Freeman way of life Its all connected.

Don't spend 2min doing a google search and tell me its fraud
edit on 5/1/2013 by wycky because: (no reason given)



The Freemen heard about them in Montana.Mainly about their stand off and arrest.
Most of their ideology came from the Posse Comitatus group.The following link is
what happened to someone who followed their advice and was verbal in doing so.Read up!

www.constitution.org...

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posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 07:17 PM
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S+f

There seems to be a few of these threads recently, in 2013. which I think is Exellent, last year they wher few and far between.

A new paradigm perhaps, people should jump on this, see if we can't change things around instead of assuming.

I've just moved address, and am looking Forward to the tvlicence callers next visit. I don't have any debts.( lucky me) but only because I haven't subscribed to a bank account for over 8 yrs now. Anyone know if this can be legally done with energy bills? A case could proberly be won that they can't cut you off or enter your property without permission to remove meters.



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 07:26 PM
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Thanks for the heads up, I wonder if this will work with caterlouge companies, and the riddiculuous "Buy now pay forever" type debts ?



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 07:29 PM
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Tv licence are some of the worst ive come across infact I found them worse than bailiffs! And the letters they send are so backwards its actually amusing.

However I do know you cannot have your water turned off even if you are in debt as its against your human rights, as long as someone lives in a property. I also was without a bank account for 6 years........life was simpler then too!!



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 07:32 PM
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i'm really just marking this for future reference... i've been in a credit black hole since my divorce in 2005.




posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 07:41 PM
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another thing people need to be aware of...

if you have debt, and due to financial reason it is sent to an independent collection agency, more often than not your original debt is cleared. the original creditor has accepted that they are never going to see money from you, and has sold the debt to another company. the sale of that debt technically clears you of having to pay it.

next time a debt collector calls, the first thing you need to do is ask for the original contract that shows you owe anything the the debt collection agency. because there is no actual contract, there is no real debt. most people fall into the threats and intimidation tactics used by collection agencies, and agree to make some sort of payment or arrangement. once you open your mouth and accept the debt as being valid, it becomes a verbal agreement that will stand up in court.

NEVER admit to owing anyone anything over the phone. always demand proof of a valid debt and the original contract.

I know for a fact that this works, as my wife recently fought a collection agency that was harrassing her for months at work and home. she never accepted their claims that she owed them money, demanded they send proof(which they never did of course) and ultimately sued the collection agency for harrassment. they settled out of court and my wife received a nice check for the trouble they caused.

check your local statute of limitations. where I am at, open accounts/revolving accounts, such as credit cards and payday loans, have a 3 year statute. if you manage to get past this time frame you are in the clear. however, once again the moment you open your mouth and admit/accept that you owe any amount of money, you reopen the account and it becomes a valid debt.



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 07:55 PM
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nice thread, I wander if it works in Denmark..... Here our financial system is owned by a private corporation, where the government loan money.

For a couple of years ago they loaned 100mill DKr for saving our banks, called a bankgift number 1, and if our government do that, we, the people in exchance have to pay more tax, or something in the countrys budget that year would be reset for next year, but nothing happend at all.......

How did my government do that??? What have they sold to our National Bank, oh yes thats right, we got an election that was really close between left and right wing parties, and a new government that is #ed up.

Today I´m hunted by the tax people, for being an honest taxpaying citizen. they made a mistake when doing their part in tax-work and now say no you have to pay we cannot chance it now, it is all in the computer, and therefor impossible to change..... WTF



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 07:59 PM
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Yeah, it's a long journey and takes some overstanding.

I'm doing the same here in NZ...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's really exciting once you get over the fear.




posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 08:42 PM
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Awesome thread & thanks for posting! Most of these companies are criminals and it's about time we found a way to call them out on it! I have two small debts on my credit (one fraudulent charge from a desperate property management company that was about to go under and another from a cell phone bill that my d-bag ex decided he was just going to stop paying for without telling me) and I'm going to give this a try, why not? I can't wait to mail some letters to these a holes!!!!


Hope it works because I refuse to pay for any debt that is not mine. I'm a Taurus and I'm just way to stubborn for all that,
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posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by Mythkiller
reply to post by wycky
 


Yeah, it's a long journey and takes some overstanding.

I'm doing the same here in NZ...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's really exciting once you get over the fear.



Its an amazing Journey and knowing my right as a free sentient human being is a great feeling
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posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 09:08 PM
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I think you need to file a UCC form first.



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 09:22 PM
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I'm going to go about this a different way; but I was already thinking about making a thread



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by VforVendettea
reply to post by wycky
 


I think you need to file a UCC form first.


Do not need a UCC form do any of this.

I have done research on this, but have come to a halt.
I have my
Common Law Copyright Notice
Holds Harmless Indemnity Agreement
Power of Attorney
Private Agreement
Security Agreement
and they all have been noterised by a NP
Next step is to file the UCC form, but from there I am unclear on what happens next and if it is possible how do access your Strawmans Funds ....?



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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I'm going to go about this a different way; but I was already thinking about making a thread


What way is that?



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by dynomet
nice thread, I wander if it works in Denmark..... Here our financial system is owned by a private corporation, where the government loan money.

For a couple of years ago they loaned 100mill DKr for saving our banks, called a bankgift number 1, and if our government do that, we, the people in exchance have to pay more tax, or something in the countrys budget that year would be reset for next year, but nothing happend at all.......

How did my government do that??? What have they sold to our National Bank, oh yes thats right, we got an election that was really close between left and right wing parties, and a new government that is #ed up.

Today I´m hunted by the tax people, for being an honest taxpaying citizen. they made a mistake when doing their part in tax-work and now say no you have to pay we cannot chance it now, it is all in the computer, and therefor impossible to change..... WTF


I don't know about setting up the NGO but has I am aware the banking system is that same world wide, so wiping debt process should work



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by solargeddon
Thanks for the heads up, I wonder if this will work with caterlouge companies, and the riddiculuous "Buy now pay forever" type debts ?


It goes work, because they also use finical institutions to provide this service.
The store receives the money straight away from GE Money for example, then you are paying GE money. Its like making a purchase on a Credit Card



posted on Jan, 5 2013 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by wycky

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by wycky
The part about OPTUS is not a lie, why would I lie.[
My home Internet is Telstra I have no issue, my phones use OPTUS i can't access the site. I have a friend on OPTUS broadband and can't access the site, I have another friend on Internode which use OPTUS and he can't access the site.


because Optus have not blocked it, I am on Optus and can access it....

What reason did Optus giive you when you told them you could not acces that site?


I didn't contact them. I just assumed it had been blocked because my self and about 4 other people on OPTUS could not access the site.
Are you in Australia ?

Edit:
I take it all back, I just check it on my phone and it works.
My best friend tried accessing the site over a period of about 3 weeks could never access it and gave up
edit on 5/1/2013 by wycky because: oops


I take that back i had my WiFi on.
When i tried to access the site via the OPTUS network this is what i get.


If you know whats causing this let me know, I have a few people that can not access the site.

Thanks





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