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Originally posted by Xcathdra
You are missing the point....
A Juvenile Officer is a Police Officer... A Police Officer is NOT a Juvenile Officer. There is a massive difference between the 2, which revolves around area of responsibility.
Originally posted by jasonl1983
Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by Xcathdra
but If I was innocent, I wouldn't want a bunch of folks with pitchforks judging me......
If you were innocent, would you make drunken videos where you admit to crimes that you did not commit?
Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by Xcathdra
Stop it with the who arrests and who prosecutes crap.
I already said that I understood the police arrest and the prosecutor charges. Drop it already.
The video was in the hands of the police, so I would believe that they would be responsible for arresting the boys in the video for not reporting the crime within 72 hours just like the law dictates to be a punishable offense.
Originally posted by Afterthought
If once the police arrested them and the prosecutor decides not to charge them, fine. It's still the police's responsibility to bring those who may be guilty in for at least further questioning. I don't believe they even did this though since they believe there was nothing but jokes being tossed around. Since they believe this and I've watched the video, I have no respect for the officers in Steubenville. They are taking the comments in the video way too lightly and aren't following their own laws stating that it's a crime to not report a crime as well as the fact that you know the whereabout of a dead body.
Originally posted by Afterthought
Really, XCathdra? One doesn't have to be a police officer to see that these individuals should've at least been arrested and brought in for obstructing the law. What if the girl was dying while they were telling jokes and stating specifics of the crime? I guess if she would've died, then they would've been arrested. I find this to be abhorrent.
Originally posted by HumAnnunaki
As I understand this statement, I take it to mean that a -
"Juvenile Officer is one trained as a Police Officer with extra specialized training in the handling of children due to juvenile priviledges"..something not taught to regularly trained Police Officers.
Summary; a Juvenile Officer is a specialized Police Detective.
Originally posted by HumAnnunaki
Is a DA not reqired to inform the victim in this type of case what will be forthcoming in a court precedure..?
i.e: the explanation of a long drawn out mud slinging defamation by the defendants lawyer(s).
Hanlen did this, but it is questionable as to her prior knowledge and personal conflict of interest.
Originally posted by HumAnnunaki
As to 'deleted pics' -
It is my understanding that the only deleted pics were done by the juveniles themselves.
Please clarify my understandings..?
Originally posted by HumAnnunaki
As to 'jurisdiction' -
It is my understanding the victim was "carried" to different parties in a state of semi or complete non compliance..?
..i.e; different parties represent different houses.
Originally posted by HumAnnunaki
Xcathdra -
These questions are not directed a you - but at anyone whom can clarify my (mis)understandings.
As for going from house to house in an unconscious manner - I noticed that the guys were also charged with kidnapping, however those charges were dropped. I ahve not been able to figure out why based on the available info, which tells me we dont have all the facts.
Originally posted by Afterthought
You are obviously an expert in department and the chain of command, so whatever department and chain of command are responsible in this situation, I don't believe it's being adhered to.
Originally posted by Afterthought
If a crime happened in a different jurisdiction, than the proper authorities need to take action.
Originally posted by Afterthought
I've already proven that it is a crime in Ohio to not report a crime within 72 hours, so whoever is in charge of this department in the proper jurisdiction is dropping the ball.
Why are you ignoring this? I don't care who is supposed to bring these guys in, but somebody needs to get off their kiester and take some responsibility here.
Originally posted by Afterthought
If you watch the movie "The Invisible War", all the loopholes are explained as to how officials allow the victims to suffer instead of bringing the rapists and those who did nothing to help the victims to justice. You say that you have to know the law to understand what's going on, but it's also knowing the law that helps one talk in circles to confuse people and find loopholes that allow the guilty walk free.
Originally posted by Afterthought
Maybe because daddy paid off the officials. NO, this couldn't happen.
The crime was committed at a time they were both juveniles.. It doesnt work the way you are suggesting.
Originally posted by Afterthought
Maybe they're waiting until the boys are found guilty of rape in juvenile court, then charge them as adults in the kidnapping.
Originally posted by Afterthought
Or maybe the people who attended the parties in different jurisdictions are lying and saying that the guys didn't bring her to the party. After all, the poor victim wasn't aware of where she was, so she can't testify that she was moved around.
If it occurred within the same county, its the one charge.. If it crosses a county line, it could be prosecuted as one charge since it violated the same state law in a second jurisdiction. If it crosses state lines you can also look at federal prosecution if the crime falls within the US Federal body of Law. It would depend on how the state sets up their jurisdictional boundries.
Originally posted by Afterthought
Here's a gray area and brain twister:
I read somewhere that she was raped in a car at one point, so if that car was parked (or even moving) within two jurisdictions during the rape, who would be responsible for making sure the boys were arrested and charged?
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by Xcathdra
No you are incorrect on that score. Immunity must be respected by the courts. The witnesses only talked to the police AFTER they got immunity. To use anything they said against them would be a gross violation of their civil rights (ie you have the right to an attorney and the right not to incriminate yourself). Anybody who incriminates themselves under cover of immunity has been denied the right to an attorney and the right to self incrimination.
Tired of Control Freaks
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
In many states, becoming actively aware that a felony has been committed and agreeing not to bring it to the attention of law enforcement officials is the crime of "compounding a felony." (New York terminology; "misprision" and other terminological uses are widespread, too.) There are obvious exceptions: a retained attorney, a priest or minister finding out in a (religious) confession or something roughly equivalent, a person who would incriminate himself in some way by doing so (but see "transactional and use immunity").
On the other hand, witnessing or otherwise becoming aware of a misdemeanor or petty offense (traffic infraction, for example) does not usually require its reporting to remain within the law, though certainly one may do so. In fact, some states require that a traffic infraction, to be punishable, must (a) be witnessed personally by a peace officer capable of making an arrest and/or issuing an appearance ticket, (b) be voluntarily confessed to, as in an accident report, or (c) be the subject of a sworn complaint. If you run a stop sign on a deserted road at 3:00 AM, that may be a traffic infraction in some metaphysical sense, but in the absence of one of the above, it's not a prosecutable offense.
A California lawmaker is trying to make it a crime for witnesses not to report homicides, rapes and other violent attacks.
The legislation, sponsored by Assemblyman Pedro Nava (D-Santa Barbara), was prompted by the gang rape of a 16-year-old Richmond High School student who was attacked for about two hours while at least a dozen witnesses failed to call police. (Richmond police initially said the girl was 15.)
"It is a horrible, horrible indictment on the state of affairs when a 16-year-old blameless girl can be viciously assaulted and anywhere from 10 to 14 witnesses don't do anything about it," Nava said in an interview. "That is shameful."
Effective Date: 03-19-2003; 2008 SB248 04-07-2009
Originally posted by Afterthought
It is an Ohio State law that requires people to report crimes they have knowledge about. It has nothing to do with jurisdictions as you're trying to make everyone believe.
Originally posted by Afterthought
Trying to find more about the punishments for not reporting a crime you witnessed or have direct knowledge about, I have located this:
boards.straightdope.com...
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Another poster submitted this:...............................snipped
Originally posted by Afterthought
So, again, XCathdra, this thread is about the video and what it contains. We aren't concerned with the ones who have been arrested for rape until February 13th rolls around. These boys are being held accountable for their alleged actions and are getting their day in court. I'm concerned with those who have committed crimes according to their own statements and haven't been brought to justice yet.
Originally posted by Afterthought
XCathdra,
Here's the link to the Ohio STATE laws regarding the specifics and punishments for not reporting a crime.
I thought you may want to read it again.
codes.ohio.gov...
Edit to Add:
Effective Date: 03-19-2003; 2008 SB248 04-07-2009
edit on 10-1-2013 by Afterthought because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by Afterthought
What part of Steubenville not investigating this because it occurred outside of their city limitts do you just not understand?
You also are ignoring the fact those people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.