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Originally posted by QMask
reply to post by kozmo
Very well thought out thread. (S and F.)
I agree with you when you say, and I quote:
"I surmise it is because saving lives is the excuse, not the premise."
If I understand you correctly, you make a clear differentiation between the actual item (firearm / cellphone), and the associated action (using the firearm / driving while texting).
If "driving while texting" (the action) is banned,
then "using firearms irresponsibly" (the action) should be banned.
In both cases, the actual items (cellphones / firearms) should not be banned.
Is my understanding correct?
Originally posted by shivaX
You are a very old member and your view on this thread is very thought provoking to say the least.
Banning guns is not the answer.
Tighter regulations is the answer.
Similarly in the case of cars,
Tighter regulations for acquiring licence is the answer.
Originally posted by Laykilla
reply to post by kozmo
The difference between phones and guns is actually pretty large.
Phones are necessary for everyone. Can't get a job without a phone.
Guns are not necessary for everyone. Can get a job without a gun.
Phones call people.
Guns shoot projectiles.
With that said, I do not support a ban on guns, but the logic herein is faulty. We can't ban phones and unfortunately there is no way to stop people from abusing them.
The same can be said with guns.
Laws don't stop people from abusing items. Laws are in place to punish those that get caught.
If there are only 8k deaths a year from guns, why are we doing anything about it?
There are 350,000,000 people in America, and out of that -- 8,000 are subject to die from firearms.
This is but a drop in the bucket, no? The only reason people feel it's out of control is the media plays it up.
For those that keep saying "America has more gun deaths than anywhere else in the world" yeah -- you're right, but guess what else....
America has a bigger population than all the places it's being compared to.
This is called proportion, which should not be neglected.
All in all, there is no problem. Crazy people will be crazy, when you have three hundred and fifty million people, you're bound to have your crazies... and despite the laws, nothing will stop the crazies.
The best we can do, is live life carefully and care about the effects our actions have on others.
For some reason people feel entitled to safety, but don't feel entitled to not rape and pillage and pillage and rape.
Basically what I'm saying is, people wish to feel safe, no matter their actions.... this is an entitlement issue. We are not entitled to safety regardless of our actions. Safety is a luxury, and one you must actively take part in securing.
The only way to bring down murder, is to band together and help each other. We need to get America off of the crazy pharmaceuticals that cloud their judgment. We need to take care of those who are struggling despite their effort to survive.
We need to care about each other first.
Once we all care about each other, then we can realize that the murder/accident rates are directionally proportional to our attitudes toward each other.
No law is going to make this better.edit on 3-1-2013 by Laykilla because: (no reason given)