Originally posted by TheCanuckian
If I teach stealing is the way to make others realize their possessions are not for them, but for the strong, the child will learn, adapt and act this
way throughout their life. Prove that wrong and you will prove to me that your version of Sin is correct.
If someone truly believes they're helping others by stealing from them, they don't sin when they steal because they
think that behavior is
correct. I doubt there are any such people out there, since "stealing is wrong" is ingrained into everyone's head, so those who steal know
it's wrong and feel guilty about it... if
they have a conscience. Anyone who does not
have a conscience does not have the Holy Spirit
and thus is not going to get forgiveness for anything
they've done wrong. "The strong should take what they want from the weak" goes
completely against "Love everyone," it's manifestly selfish, no Christian's heart would remain guilt-free after doing such a thing. If the person
you taught that to ever accepted Christ, they'd never act that way again.
So if the world were raised to be killers, murderers, etc.. and all of us were taught these were good, it's safe to say we would be in the
dark ages explaining why God allows us to do those evil things and why it's good.
Who would consider it evil if the whole world were raised to think it was good? Only Christ's followers would. We don't listen to the world's ideas
of right and wrong; Christ's law trumps man's laws. What's so wrong with "Love everyone," anyway? Why do so many people reject that lifestyle? Do
they truly believe the world would be a better place without it?
The thing about humans is we adapt pretty quickly to our environment and if something is told to us over and over enough times our version of
sin changes. It's proven in history. Hanging people was OK and acceptable to many in the early 1700's and even earlier then that. In the 21st
century it is considered archaic and immoral. Even the Priests of the time agreed with hangings and killings of the unholy, but today they hold all
life in high regard and will even protect the sinners.
Hangings and killings weren't
acceptable to a lot of people back then. It was mostly the religious leaders who did that (ruling through fear);
they had the power, so they did what they wanted (just like today), and their hateful followers went along with it because they weren't loving. They
the leaders power and let
them be evil; anyone who disagreed publicly was killed as a heretic. Their organized religions,
such as Puritanism, ignored the teachings of Christ. Just like today, if they'd ever read the Bible the whole way through and understood it, they
would never have condoned the death penalty or stonings or any of that stuff. The hateful ones weren't really Christians, thus they had no Holy
Spirit, and thus... condemned.
If God himself wanted us to be good he would have been more directly involved, but it seems he does not care one way or another. Just look at
this world. We are left to our own devices, our own version of sin. That to me does not prove God wants us to be Good, it proves he wants us to
experience, that's about it. Everything else is your own assumptions and nurturing.
Believe me, my own nurturing was quite different from how I ended up. I was raised Southern Baptist, and utterly rejected it because it was just so...
false, wrong, hypocritical, I knew
those guys were nothing like Christ, I could smell it on them. But that didn't turn me from Christ, only
from Southern Baptist-hood. People have a tendency to equate man's churches with God; nothing could be further from the truth.
He wants us to choose
to be good on our own. That's why he won't prove to us that he exists; it'd force people's behavior. He's letting us
sort ourselves into "Good" and "Evil" pigeonholes through our choices. That's the Meaning of Life.
I refuse to believe our freedom of choice was given to us just to refrain from using it... even the devout believers of God sin, and sometimes
sin worse then the average joe.
True, but the "devout" are usually misled, they don't understand Christ's message. We have free will so we can prove what kind of people we are...
and so we can surprise God. (Ever noticed that all humor depends on the element of surprise? God probably never laughed before we came along.) It's
free will to be helpful and kind and try to open people's eyes. Hence this thread. Others are only motivated by selfishness. It's all
about what motivates you.
The God theory is an interesting one because we humans want to believe there is a higher power then our feeble selves. Fact is though we will
never see that power and if you do, your dead.
Nobody ever dies all the way; only bodies can die. If souls exist, we'll all meet our creator someday.