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Originally posted by MrNECROS
The reason people post about them so much is becuase they've screwed over more people than every other secret society put together.
Basically these peole will lie ,cheat and steal from you then run like daylight denying everything while all their cronies dive in front of you to hold you up and send you round in circles.
No one has a good word to say about them who isn't one themselves.
Incidentally Hitler did NOT send Freemasons to concentration camps unless they were Jews.
Many lodges were closed due to Jewish membership but at least twice as many remained open and even closing these "Jewish" lodges did not mean sending the members to the camps (unlike the trade unions).
You are now about to quit the sacred retreat of friendship and virtue, to mix again with the world. Amidst its concerns and employments, forget not the duties you have heard so frequnetly inculcated and forciby recommended within this lodge. Be, therefore, diligent, prudent, temperate, discreet.
And remember, also, that around this Altar you have solemnly and repeatedly promised to befriend and relieve, with unheistating cordiality, so far as shall be in your power, every Brother who shall need your assistance; that you have promised to remind him, in the most tender manner, of his failings, and aid his reformation; to vindicate his character when wrongfuly traduced; and to suggest in his behalf the most candid, favorable, and palliating circumstances, even when his conduct is justly reprehensible. If you faithfully observe these duties, the world will observe how Freemasons love one another, in obedience to the will of God.
Remember always, Bretheren, that these solemn rites, of which you have been partakers, and your parts in them, are as binding on your consciences out of the lodge as within it. They are links in that chain made in life, for eternity.
And these generous principles are to extend farther. Every human being has a claim upon your kind offices. So that we enjoin it upon you, Do good unto all, while we recommend it more especially to those who are of the household of the faithfull.
Originally posted by MrNECROS
Incidentally Hitler did NOT send Freemasons to concentration camps unless they were Jews.
Many lodges were closed due to Jewish membership but at least twice as many remained open and even closing these "Jewish" lodges did not mean sending the members to the camps (unlike the trade unions).
Originally posted by MrNECROS
I can't believe people are still pumping out the Blue Forget Me Not BS.
Do you really think the Gestapo were so stupid that they wouldn't know an obvious symbol like that?
It's well documented that the particular pin was actually a Winterhilfe (collection of food and clothing for the poor during the winter season) badge hence its appearence in so many photographs.
The closing of "irregular" Jewish Lodges by the Nazi's was not an offence that anyone was sent to concentration camps for, you just had to join another Lodge, most German bretheren did.
Note that ALL societies were closed or re-ordered during their time in power, including the Boy Scouts.
To believe this bunk you would have to also believe Hitler had a conspiracy against them so big that he even got about half a million Germans to create special "anti-mason" lodges that are even today still in operation!
Just so nasty people like me can spread "lies" about Freemasonry.
Heck the Nazi party was formed out of a Freemason offshoot - The Thule Society.
Why Masons? Because they are the largest secret society on the planet - ask anyone who has been screwed over by them, and that's pretty much everyone at some stage in their life.
If you haven't been yet, don't fret because the day will surly come.
Originally posted by billyevil
First of all i don't agree that the masons have suffered as much as the jewish people, and trying to establish a link between the two could be seen as a way to gain sympathy to a group on the same level as that which is deserved by the jewish people.
Second, i noticed a comment, "masons are hated by Al Quaida" Now, being hated by a terrorist group doesn't exactly make you the good guys.
Also, this could almost feel like an attempt to align the masons with the victims and good guys in a situation. If you're an american you're more than likely hated by Al Quaida, even if you're an american serial killer, you're still hated. Does the hate of Al Quaida suddenly make a serial killer into a good person? I don't think that it does.
In all i don't understand why it seems there is a need for the masons to align themselves with other groups in comparison unless it is just to improve their image, which is understandable, since they have a pretty lousy image.
But, when you knowingly join a society that has been said to be behind so many shady things it makes alot of people wonder what kind of person would want to or need to join such a secret group.
Also, why be secret if you're worried about what people think about you? Just come out and lay it all on the table for people. Secrets are great, but when they become instruments of fear they need to be brought into the light so people can see they have nothing to fear.
Finally, taking the word of a mason on the subject is alot like asking a car salesman if his lot has the best deals in town. It's very hard to believe and trust them due to their reputation and it's hard to think of a good reason to trust them.
I'm sure Al Quaida members don't believe that they are evil, so take that into consideration when people make comments about the masons.
I know i'm new to this site, but i'm not new to these kinds of discussions and i wanted to give my opinions.
I don't mean to offend anyone, but i think the masons speaking here need to realise that it's hard to take their word.
Originally posted by billyevil
I know i'm new to this site, but i'm not new to these kinds of discussions and i wanted to give my opinions. I don't mean to offend anyone, but i think the masons speaking here need to realise that it's hard to take their word.
Originally posted by billyevil
Wierd. Looks like it's a pro-mason form of the anti-mason sites. Personally i have trouble believing the propaganda of either type site.
Originally posted by billyevil
Finally, taking the word of a mason on the subject is alot like asking a car salesman if his lot has the best deals in town. It's very hard to believe and trust them due to their reputation and it's hard to think of a good reason to trust them.
Originally posted by MrNECROS
I can't believe people are still pumping out the Blue Forget Me Not BS.
Do you really think the Gestapo were so stupid that they wouldn't know an obvious symbol like that?
It's well documented that the particular pin was actually a Winterhilfe (collection of food and clothing for the poor during the winter season) badge hence its appearence in so many photographs.
The closing of "irregular" Jewish Lodges by the Nazi's was not an offence that anyone was sent to concentration camps for, you just had to join another Lodge, most German bretheren did.
Note that ALL societies were closed or re-ordered during their time in power, including the Boy Scouts.
To believe this bunk you would have to also believe Hitler had a conspiracy against them so big that he even got about half a million Germans to create special "anti-mason" lodges that are even today still in operation!
Just so nasty people like me can spread "lies" about Freemasonry.
Heck the Nazi party was formed out of a Freemason offshoot - The Thule Society.
Why Masons? Because they are the largest secret society on the planet - ask anyone who has been screwed over by them, and that's pretty much everyone at some stage in their life.
If you haven't been yet, don't fret because the day will surly come.
Originally posted by MrNECROS
I can't believe people are still pumping out the Blue Forget Me Not BS.
Do you really think the Gestapo were so stupid that they wouldn't know an obvious symbol like that?
It's well documented that the particular pin was actually a Winterhilfe (collection of food and clothing for the poor during the winter season) badge hence its appearence in so many photographs.
The closing of "irregular" Jewish Lodges by the Nazi's was not an offence that anyone was sent to concentration camps for, you just had to join another Lodge, most German bretheren did.
Note that ALL societies were closed or re-ordered during their time in power, including the Boy Scouts.
To believe this bunk you would have to also believe Hitler had a conspiracy against them so big that he even got about half a million Germans to create special "anti-mason" lodges that are even today still in operation!
Just so nasty people like me can spread "lies" about Freemasonry.
Heck the Nazi party was formed out of a Freemason offshoot - The Thule Society.
Why Masons? Because they are the largest secret society on the planet - ask anyone who has been screwed over by them, and that's pretty much everyone at some stage in their life.
If you haven't been yet, don't fret because the day will surly come.