reply to post by NewAgeMan
In causality terms, this is called a downward causation, or what Bernard Haische has referred to as an "intelligent subtraction from, the
absolute formless potential" relative to which everything that exists, exists (compliments of AfterInfinity's "flaw") in order to make our experience
possible, making of us and this experience,
If by “flaw” you mean my theory of perfection, in which imperfection provides the perfect existence, then yes. You mentioned the “ultimate
objective reality”: this can only occur when an absolute value is applied to every possibility of an instance in existence, whatever shape it may
take. Not only does our emotional nature make it difficult to ascribe a purely logical value to every possibility, the walls we have placed around our
imagination makes it double difficult as we limit our ability to imagine the potential for any given object or situation. These walls can be placed
for whatever reason, whether it be tradition or simple fear.
Another concept I have mentioned is the imprisonment of ideas by labeling them. The moment you have expressed an idea, you have described a set of
parameters that provide varying limitations on the idea, laying down a list of rules for that impression you are attempting to convey. These rules are
established to make communication easier, a universal understanding of all ideas conveyed in this manner. Unfortunately, this means that the idea
attains a kind of immortality, depending on who defines it. It will forever remain young, never growing and evolving because it has been placed in a
box built from those parameters given in the defining. This is a crucial factor in the process of recognizing the ultimate objective reality, given
that all explicit knowledge requires explicit translation, and all translation is imperfect. Which means no matter what you do, you will never be able
to tell the exact truth. You will only be able to impart your impression of it. And really, that is the most accurate statement that can be made of
the Bible – it is an impression of a truth.
Taking the above paragraphs into careful consideration, it is quite understandable and thoroughly predictable that we would have such a difficult time
defining, let alone understanding, such a force as we're increasingly determined to throw our very souls at. And our desperation, our rush to save
ourselves, only exacerbates the problem.
the outward manifestation of the eternal Godhead, with intent ie: by superintelligent design.
I don't know about superintelligent...as I've already said:
Consciousness leads to awareness. Awareness leads to thought. Thought leads to emotion, which leads to bias, which leads to judgment, which leads to
Superintelligence seems to work only as long as the superintelligent being can recognize its own flaws, and they never seem to, oddly enough. Their
consistent superiority to other creatures leads to an inevitable rift that emphasizes the difference in capbilities, which, more often than not, leads
to the conclusion that one must be more advanced (read: more awesome, deserving, worthy, etc) than the other. This is where righteousness comes into
play. You know, the tendency to judge.
Referring back to my comment about assigning absolute values to the full range of possibilities associated with every particular instance of reality,
it is difficult to imagine any being capable of judgment not being compromised at some point. When something as personal as this “God” is
presented an opportunity to save a life or claim it, it's akin to deciding whether to swim or drown. If he were to fight for someone on earth, it
would be like fighting for himself, because he designed, created, guided, and will ultimately condemn or save every soul that exists. This introduces
familiar territory – not only did he create each and every soul, he also determined every aspect of the world they would live in, and so every
absolute value they possess were foreseen and crafted by him. Of course, being a superintelligent being complete with emotions, they obviously would
be loathe to admit any flaws on their part. They are more advanced. They are the creator, the master. It is IMPOSSIBLE for them to be structurally
inferior to anything in any way, especially in regards to their own creations! This is just one possibility for a superintelligent god. One of the
more likely possibilities, actually. You can see it written everywhere in the Bible. For someone so bent on teaching his children humility, he seems
to be lacking some himself.
Anyway...With tall of this in mind, it logically follows that any form of intervention is foreseen and planned, and any lack thereof was also
determined long beforehand. In this sense, is there any degree of impartiality? Not a chance. Unless! There is one possibility...deliberate blind
spots in his omniscience. There's one problem with that idea, however.
Never once in the Bible does he confess to such a deed. Never once does he admit such a precaution, nor do his people give such an impression.
Therefore, there can be no blind spots, correct? Everything has always been planned from the beginning to the end of time. Every flaw, every triumph,
and every intervention and condemnation...he saw it coming. He designed it. If this is so, then there is truly no free will. Either he is not
omniscient, or he is playing a vicious game of chess with all of us.
It is difficult to accept such an idea and not succumb to the darkness of the heart. This is why I do not subscribe to Christianity, because most
Christians are not aware of exactly what kind of bargain they have sold their souls for. One of the main differences between Satanism and Christianity
is that Satanism is more honest about what it wants. Satanists largely serve themselves; many Christians (not all of them, mind you) serve others
under the guise of good will, but tell me...how many would continue such a practice if they were told that for every person they helped out of the
kindness of their heart, they would earn a hundred years in hell? How many would exercise compassion and empathy if such actions earned their
The only intent I see in the world is to establish order. The order of nature, the laws of physics. Create stability so as to allow life the chance to
experience. What we choose to do with that experience is our decision, but we must realize that positive and negative are not mutually exclusive.
Nothing negative can happen without positive, and vice versa. The only obstruction is how far we are willing to look. And really, we have always been
our own obstacles. We are, in actuality, the greatest example of order. Unfortunately, our limited perceptions prevents us from realizing the exact
nature of order. Thus, we continue to fight the balance in favor of our own ideals – ideals we have developed using our tiny broken mirrors.
lo and behold there was a two horned ram caught up in a thicket nearby, already prepared as a sacrifice, so it's obvious that even back then
God was always "ahead of the curve" so to speak. An intriguing related factoid -
This supports the points I made earlier. “God” is, reportedly, in complete control. Yet all signs indicate a lack of control. No matter which way
you slice it, he has chosen to allow pain in a world struggling to meet his expectations, all because he didn't create his perfect model on the first
try. According to the Bible, anyway. Need I quote Epicurus again? He makes a very clear case that I have not yet seen refuted.
Tying it all back to the topic at hand...this “smartest man” made a mistake in using the word “God”. There is far too much baggage, far too
much immaturity in the word. It is a superstitious label that speaks volumes on the subject of desperately grasping for straws in the absence of true
understanding. Not generally a word I would employ in the description of any universal construct outside of a mythology discussion. My opinion, of
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