{Gun Control} Facebook bans Gandhi quote as part of revisionist history purge

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
For those who are testing it how many people do you have on your friends list?

If you only have like less than 20 I don't think anything will happen
Naturalnews is huge, but read the OP article
After infowars spread the news about this Facebook seemed to have stopped for a while

I saw that same quote being posted a couple weeks ago along with lots of other pro and anti gun stuff and all of those people still have it up and have had not problems and we are talking hundreds and hundreds of friends, thousands between the most vocal. Whatever they got banned for it was not that. Of course on great way to manipulate people is to pretend the message they are sending is being held back by the man. I that is closer to the truth.

Naturalnews.com got banned for posting a quote from Gandhi?

Pfft. What a joke. I wouldn't believe this for an instant. That particular quote is already on multiple people's FB page (none of which have been suspended), it's a part of the historical record, and quoted in Google Books, Alibris, the Library of Congress, etc.

You are being trolled, people.

Natural News could have been suspended for any other number of violations of FB's T&C. Especially relating to complaints about their promotions of dubious snake-oil products, plagiarism, spamming, etc. Natural News promotes a LOT of snake-oil remedies. I wouldn't trust that site to tell me the time of day.

You notice how NN states their suspension was by a letter from FB for violating FB's 'community standards', but then DOESN'T provide the text of that letter? Did the letter from FB specifically state it was a quote from Gandhi that got them banned? Can WE SEE THE LETTER? If not, I call BS. Oh they got suspended for something alright, but NN is trying to misdirect you over what that reason was, instead making you believe it was some plot by FB to re-write history.

FB's community standards

Sorry, but I don't see anywhere in that list a bannable offense for Gandhi quotes.

To think they "got banned" for posting a Mahatma Gandhi quote - JEEBUS people quit being so damn GULLIBLE. Natural News is playing you. They are milking this for all the publicity they can, and playing the lunatic fringe for sympathy rage.

Naturalnews.com - apart from their adverse relationship to the truth - may even have been suspended during Facebook's purge of companies buying fake "LIKES".

Back in August the company announced there would be a major crackdown on FB pages buying fake "likes".

Facebook's Fake 'Like' Problem Is Real Serious -- And There's A Crackdown Coming
(huffingtonpost.com)
Facebook Says “No More” to Fake Likes and Fans
(sba.gov)

Not saying they did, but the timing coincides with other companies receiving similar bans (Youtube and Twitter also just conducted a sweep of all fake "likes" and "followers", and several high-profile performance artists just lost a large number of their fake views - YT itself purged over 2 billion fake views). If this was the case with NN, suspended for unethically buying fake likes, then good.

I honeslty have a low opinion of facebook. I used Myspace for a while, but then they decided to throw away all of the html/etc code that people had put on their pages. They changed the whole site so it would be more friendly to FB users but it came at the cost of punching their past/current members. When that happened, it just reminded me how dumbed down everything is and how robotic people are. So I quit. It's just so disgusting to me that we act like cows in a slaughterhouse.

Don't let others think for you. Demand freedom. Be responsible and courteous. Always remember that once a freedom is lost it's very hard to get it back because so much momentum has built up.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Natural News could have been suspended for any other number of violations of FB's T&C. Especially relating to complaints about their promotions of dubious snake-oil products, plagiarism, spamming, etc. Natural News promotes a LOT of snake-oil remedies. I wouldn't trust that site to tell me the time of day.

None of the examples you give make any sense.

How can they spam you on facebook when you have them on your friends or like list???
That was YOUR decision to put them there, and you then give them conscent to post whatever they want as long as they don't threaten you or anyone else.

Common Sense guys

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Those are just a few examples of the reasons FB can suspend an account, taken from their "community standards".

Violence and Threats
Self-Harm
Bullying and Harassment
Hate Speech
Graphic Content
Nudity and Pornography
Identity and Privacy
Intellectual Property
Phishing and Spam
Security

Until NN posts the actual letter they claim they received from FB that they were "suspended for posting a quote from Gandhi" then I for one wont believe it. That claim is ridiculous on every level.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

Those are just a few examples of the reasons FB can suspend an account, taken from their "community standards".

Violence and Threats
Self-Harm
Bullying and Harassment
Hate Speech
Graphic Content
Nudity and Pornography
Identity and Privacy
Intellectual Property
Phishing and Spam
Security

Until NN posts the actual letter they claim they received from FB that they were "suspended for posting a quote from Gandhi" then I for one wont believe it. That claim is ridiculous on every level.

None of those items mentioned is naturalnews guilty of
I have them on my friends list and they do none of that
Friends of mine post more than they do and i've never received one email or facebook msg from them

I go to their website, I don't disagree that they do push product
But that's on their site through banners mostly
Some articles they may mention that this organic brand is reputable but i've never seen that on their FB

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Did you forget that FB is controlled, data is mined extensively for "Security" and they are going to side with the government in censorship?
If you failed to see this then you have not been paying attention.

Either you fight for your rights on someone else's site and lose, or you find a way to get the truth out by other means. They can't control domains you buy or applications you build so I suggest going that route.

Even ATS is controlled. Just look at the Sandy Hook posts and the warnings associated with them. While you see it's a bit more free for alternative news here, it's not really entirely free is it?

Only your domain and your site is truly free. Only then can you express your true self. Just be careful they don't label you a terrorist, then your screwed. Since they control FB it's easy to censor, but not controlling your domain will cause them to send cease and desists.

America is not free people. It's like the USSR. Everything you do is being watched and carefully monitored.

Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, none shall ever outshine the misdeeds of Indians against their own, past and present.

reply to post by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by RedmoonMWC

 

So deliberately quote mining and presenting out of context in order to perpetuate a myth

edit on 28-12-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)

Wake up!

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
I would post it to my Facebook as a test, but I kind of need it to communicate with a friend who is visiting today. If anyone tests it, please let ATS know what happens!

Posted the photo earlier today and my FB page is FULL of 2nd amendment info.
Nothing yet, but I'll give it a day or two.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


FB is banning these accounts because of a well organized bloc of trolls. (This works on both sides of the issue.) Once enough "complaints" are received the FB banning hammer algorithm kicks in. Once the matter is actually brought before a honest to goodness living person at FB the accounts are restored.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

Those are just a few examples of the reasons FB can suspend an account, taken from their "community standards".

Violence and Threats
Self-Harm
Bullying and Harassment
Hate Speech
Graphic Content
Nudity and Pornography
Identity and Privacy
Intellectual Property
Phishing and Spam
Security

Until NN posts the actual letter they claim they received from FB that they were "suspended for posting a quote from Gandhi" then I for one wont believe it. That claim is ridiculous on every level.

None of those items mentioned is naturalnews guilty of
I have them on my friends list and they do none of that
Friends of mine post more than they do and i've never received one email or facebook msg from them

I go to their website, I don't disagree that they do push product
But that's on their site through banners mostly
Some articles they may mention that this organic brand is reputable but i've never seen that on their FB

The quote by Ghandi can be considered Hate Speech. Not saying it is, but it can be considered that.

any msm reporting on this yet?

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Well I'm not trying to pass judgement on Natural News (okay maybe just a little). I've followed them in the past but I've read one too many dubious claims to consider them anything other than snake-oil peddlers. But this isn't about that. It's about their claim they got banned on FB for posting a Gandhi quote. That is pure propaganda. The simple known fact is, they got suspended. (although they still have an active page on FB - Naturalnews.com Health Ranger). They claim it was due to a Gandhi quote. They claim they got a letter from FB. However, there is no proof offered from NN that the letter from FB states this as the reason. NN is just letting US make that assumption. It's a simple, sleazy, deceptive tactic. NN is good at that sort of thing.

When NN post the full text of this letter from FB explicitly stating the reason for the suspension was for quoting Mahatma Gandhi, then and ONLY then, will I believe it. I don't think they will. They can infer that's what the suspension was for all day long, probably the reason for keeping the content of the letter private, but they can't post a fake letter attached to FB's name without expecting some legal issues over libel.

That's what this post comes down to. Just how gullible you are. I can think of a lot of other reason NN got suspended from FB other than quoting Gandhi.

Who at facebook actually gets to make this discission? Like is there a guy who sits in a chair like the mods here and just pics and chooses based on if he woke up on the wrong side of the bed. This seems a little rediculous.

Let's not forget that Facebook operates much like youtube - they have bots that go around picking out things, maybe in this case because someone complained about it. It's not necessarily like a human was the one who removed this. I think anything about guns is a red flag on Facebook right now, for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by ajay59
Are you implying that Gandhi did not say this?

Ghandi said and did a lot of things.
Those things seemed to indicate he was a bigot, sexist, and I suppose now...a gun advocate.

On Black Africans:
“Only a degree removed from the animal.”

That's just one of his more 'milder' quotes without the use of what is essentially the 'n-word' in South Africa.

On Jews Facing a Potential Holocaust: "Just Accept It':
...the calculated violence of Hitler may even result in a general massacre of the Jews by way of his first answer to the declaration of such hostilities. But if the Jewish mind could be prepared for voluntary suffering, even the massacre I have imagined could be turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy that Jehovah had wrought deliverance of the race even at the hands of the tyrant. For to the God-fearing, death has no terror.

On Women:
Wife gets sick. He refused to allow her to be treated with penicillin; she died. “If God wills it, He will pull her through.”

He got sick with malaria; took penicillin. He lived.

Believed Indian women who were raped lost their value as human beings and that fathers were justified in murdering their daughters if they were raped and brought dishonor to their families.

So Gandhi is anti governmental gun control/disarmament?

That doesn't change my views at all because I never really put too much stock in him as a "spiritual leader". He was a man who held some pretty backwards beliefs in spite of some of the positive notions he held. He certainly isn't on a pedestal in my eyes.

That said, I think Facebook shouldn't ban someone for quoting this man if they choose to.
They CAN do this, but I don't feel they SHOULD do this.

- Lee

I seem to remember some controversy about ATS putting a big facebook announcement-link on the front page.
There were some people that kind of took exception to it and I think I have a PM from the obese owner having a hissy "cease and desist" to me. for myself referring to it as an advert.

Facebook is what it is, a business interest, same as this place.

Originally posted by thebtheb
It's not necessarily like a human was the one who removed this. I think anything about guns is a red flag on Facebook right now, for obvious reasons.

That's a good point.

Even if it were a human that "allegedly" did this, they certainly can do this regardless of whether or not we agree.

Having a Facebook page is a privilege not a right. People misunderstand this fact. They don't owe you an outlet for your free speech in any form you choose.

They can censor what they find inappropriate and anyone with a page that approved of the terms and conditions has agreed to allow them to do so.

Just like on this site.
It's not a violation of your free speech either.

Facebook is a privately owned website that isn't obligated to publish anything you desire.

- Lee

I posted this quote to Facebook two days ago and nothing has happened to my account

I posted this on my page the day this was posted here. I have more than 20 shares so far from friends on their pages as well.

No one has heard a peep...

We are all either active duty or retired military if that makes a difference; however, I doubt that.