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Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff
Guns are not pumped to the gills with mood-altering meds. Guns are not playing violent video games, watching violent movies and TV shows. Guns are not loading themselves.
It's not a matter of 'regulating guns' its a matter of regulating ourselves. WE ARE DANGEROUS not guns...
This is known as a pathetic fallacy.
Originally posted by seeker1963
Optimus, I pretty much agree with your post. OP well done on your post!
To address what Optimus said, I am all for trying to make things right to protect our Constitution. BUT!! Respectufully I have to at this moment disagree with any kind of intellegent compromise and here is why. Those of us who respect and revere the Constitution are under attack by those who DO NOT WANT COMPROMISE! They have an allegiance with a corrupt government and as we have all seen the anti second ammendment arguements, they have proven that compromise is OUT OF THE QUESTION. (sorry, not yelling, but just highlighting what I think as important)
It is our way or the highway, and a good example to put forth here, is the political theater that our elected officials are playing right now with the fiscal cliff. Our POTUS and the Dems, have no desire for compromise! They have blown their cover as far as I am concerned, that the only time the American people matter, is when they can rile us all up into a ferver to blindly follow their theatrical acts and believe they are there to help us!
Compromise is a beautiful thing when you have grown adults who have the ability to critically think things out and discuss them as mature adults often do! The problem I see, is that we have ignorant, spoiled children in government office, who have even more ignorant children who look up to them for their daily feedings and protection!
Dashawn Harris was punched or suffered a belt-lashing by his mother’s boyfriend, Christian Patrick, for every mistake he made during his Nov. 30 home-schooling session. The punishment reportedly lasted for hours and left the boy crying and bleeding. The mother, Lashay Patterson, did nothing to stop it. The problem, according to Patrick, was that Dashawn did not seem interested in the lesson, according to a preliminary hearing describing the final hours of the boy’s life.
Originally posted by seeker1963
reply to post by Gauss
My mention of the Democrats was in reference to the fiscal cliff and the fact that compromise is out the question, and no matter what the Republicans come up with, there will be no deal! See what I am saying? Now are there supporters of the current administration that are going to back them up no matter what? Absolutely! That is an AGENDA, and has nothing to do with a compromise.......
The same can be said for what your post is about, Gun Control! I have YET to see any form of compromise, from those who wish to dismantel our second ammendment.
Now ya see where I am coming from? Compromise is only as good as the two sides who are willing to come to a solution. Why should those of us be even willing to compromise with those who oppose us when they are so blinded by their agenda that our views and opinions no longer matter??
Look at my past posts. I have no love for either party.....just sayin...
This is pure facism with total disreguard to working things out like adults....
edit on 21-12-2012 by seeker1963 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ganjoa
reply to post by seeker1963
When I read your previous post, I felt like you were saying that INTELLIGENT compromise requires all parties to be able to give-and-take, something you've not seen in these forums or from our elected representatives.
Here's my compromise position - just stay away from CONFISCATION of our (currently) legal firearms.
Here's my suggestion for "intelligent" gun control - enforce the provisions of the existing law as it pertains to persons with mental illness - as it stands NICS doesn't contain any real checks on mental instability as far as I have experienced.
MAYBE there needs to be a new provision about making firearms unavailable to felons and others that are restricted from purchasing a firearm by family, friends, non-FFL sellers, etc. and holding those folks responsible as well as the "shooter".
LIKELY there needs to be practices/regulations that actually checks for the documented & verified persons who are mentally unstable - downside is this sacrifices confidentiality of medical records - we'll have to figure out how to accomplish something workable.
OP - is this the kind of response you were looking for? It's a start IMO.
Originally posted by Shdak
Militia and the People’s Gun Rights
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Each and every us citizen is part of the militia, the militia is what is designed to protect you from government tyranny. Tyranny can come at you in many forms, and one of most widely used forms is used is by creating misconstrued and vague laws that impair your ability to defend our way of life as intended by the founders of this country.
Did you know that after Hurricane Katrina that all gun were confiscated by force, that was tyranny, that was an all out infringement on the 2nd amendment. That was just all out wrong; this is a prime reason we have a Militia… Where was the Militia in this case anyway??? It took NRA and a lawsuit to help New Orleans get their guns back. People you need to get involved in your communities, support your state militia, take a stand so crap like this doesn’t happen.
Now that all that is said; Here are my opinions:
1.Should Guns be restricted to the general public? There is no need to have guns of assault type for home defense or hunting
2.What do I mean by general public? Those that are not actively involved within the State Militia.
3.Should the Militia’s be restricted? They should have the same personal weapons access that the military, police, or other law enforcement has access to.
Now, How do we get the gun out of the hands of the criminal: That sounds like something the Militia and law enforcement can work together on …
Originally posted by Gauss
...it is also important to the discussion that we recognize that firearms, unlike most murder weapons (which are improvised), has been designed with one of its specific uses being to take lives.