Was the Champions League draw fixed?

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posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by Flavian
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As a Liverpool fan, i think FPP is fantastic. Clubs, like people and governments, should live within their means. And develop their own talent.............which your lot seem to have stopped doing (unfortunately) since you won the jackpot. City used to have a great youth set up............


Yeah, Liverpool fans would hate if a Qatari Royal family or someone bought their club eh!
As for the FPP, this will set liverpool back even more. Man Utd Actually make money so they will go from strength to strength.




posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 07:59 AM
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People get bored with the same teams winning over and over again. Platini, the current boss of the UEFA, is somewhat of a promoter of the underdogs. So I could see it being fixed in this manner.

On the other hand...I could also see this being a freak occurrence I suppose.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by Taggart

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by MrM123
 


As a Liverpool fan, i think FPP is fantastic. Clubs, like people and governments, should live within their means. And develop their own talent.............which your lot seem to have stopped doing (unfortunately) since you won the jackpot. City used to have a great youth set up............


Yeah, Liverpool fans would hate if a Qatari Royal family or someone bought their club eh!
As for the FPP, this will set liverpool back even more. Man Utd Actually make money so they will go from strength to strength.


I personally wouldn't want it for Liverpool but can't speak for other fans. Why would FFP be a problem for us? We actually develop our own players (and our Under 21's are currently the only unbeaten team in the country).

As to Man Utd -


Do you realise the seriousness of the financial situation there? Man Utd made money off the Ronaldo sale and from the share issues in the US - do you even know that the Glazers are currently under investigation in the US for this share sale? Man Utd's saving grace is the name so there would always be interested parties. The truth though is that the situation at Utd is potentially far more serious even than it was at Liverpool under Hicks & Gillette.

Chelsea have serious issues if Abramovich gets bored. It goes on and on. So yes, FFP is the future and i cannot wait.
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posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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What is more of a surprise to me is that they need to have a practice draw. Why? It isn't exactly rocket science.


it is actually quite a complex draw - because as pointed out in previous posts - each time a team is selected - its oponent can only be from another country AND a different group

its nowhere near as simple as 16 tokens in a draw - paired as they are selected



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 08:28 AM
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Complex to an extent - as complex as 16 teams can be. There are only so many variables........

Anyway, go Celtic and Malaga!



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 08:32 AM
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Ive never heard of the draws being "rehearsed" either. If it was an internet-leak then the "rehearsal" story might be a cover-story.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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Yeah because of that it really doesn't make it a miracle, fixed or anything. It wouldn't be very hard to pick which teams were likely to face each other. But still a good guess where ever that list came from.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by misscurious

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by Skyfloating

For Americans: Champions League is, besides the Superbowl, the worlds biggest Sports event



I seem to remember reading more than twice as many people watched the Champions League final than watched the Superbowl this year?

I'm not surprised by this. It's a massive money spinner and I've no doubt this is a fix.

And people will just shrug and go 'Blimey, that's a coincidence'.

Wonder what the odds of it are? *off to a calculator*


The odds are 5.000 to 1 but I find that strangely high seeing as in this round two teams from the same football association cannot compete against each other - Man United couldn't face Arsenal, Real Madrid couldn't face Barcelona, same with the German teams (of course, due to seeding that possibly couldn't have happened anyway).


They shouldnt face each other at this stage or it becomes a standard domestic game.. Defeats the purpose of having a European competition.


Not disagreeing, just stating that as it reduces the odds significantly, that was all.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Ive never heard of the draws being "rehearsed" either. If it was an internet-leak then the "rehearsal" story might be a cover-story.


There are usually technical tests and rehearsals before any such event, do you remember that in three tests before the first UK National lottery the number 42 came up every time? Douglas Adams must have been laughing in his grave.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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Wether you call the game football, like a reasonable person, or soccer, like an oaf, there is but one thing that unites all things related to the game.

They are utterly unimportant. Football is an intellectual cancer, it is a plauge of the mind, as is supporting any one of the outrageously over wealthy clubs in the UK, or anywhere else for that matter.

I hope the whole game, from the owners of the clubs, to the droning hordes of idiot fans, are swept aside by the scandal, and the game banned from any location where gentlemanly conduct and honour would be prefered. Anything to spite the larger swilling masses of morons who go home and either beat, or lay thier wives according to the results.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Flavian
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Complex to an extent - as complex as 16 teams can be. There are only so many variables........

Anyway, go Celtic and Malaga!


Porto - Schalke - Barca - Real Madrid - Juventus - Munich - Shaktar Donesk - PSG..

Go Man United




posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by TrueBrit
Wether you call the game football, like a reasonable person, or soccer, like an oaf, there is but one thing that unites all things related to the game.

They are utterly unimportant. Football is an intellectual cancer, it is a plauge of the mind, as is supporting any one of the outrageously over wealthy clubs in the UK, or anywhere else for that matter.

I hope the whole game, from the owners of the clubs, to the droning hordes of idiot fans, are swept aside by the scandal, and the game banned from any location where gentlemanly conduct and honour would be prefered. Anything to spite the larger swilling masses of morons who go home and either beat, or lay thier wives according to the results.


Well, I'm sure football supporters can on the whole actually spell better than you! I guess you are a rugby fan - university education but functionally illiterate?

For the record, I've never swilled larger, but maybe the odd lager. Never beaten my other half and as far as I'm aware it's not technically possible to have a plauge of anything?



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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If you want to live like Mr Bean, thats your choice but I'm from Australia and I f'n love soccer, especially the Premier League and Champions League..



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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So you think the FPP rules are good for the game, So if a billionaire was to buy Liverpool you would be happy that billionaire would have restrictions about the amount of money he can spend... I think you might just be letting jealousy creep into your argument. I think any club and any owner should be allowed to spend what they want, In fact its staggering that a club can have as much debt as it wants without any restrictions from UEFA. yet if a club has a rich owner and does not have any debt it will be penalised for spending money lol the worlds gone mad

All the FFP rules have done is sealed the fate of any teams who do not have a seat at the big table (Champs League) from ever getting there and staying there ,The FPP is an attempt to pull up the drawbridge by the bigger clubs



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posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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No , no university for me. I am a working class fellow as it happens. But I am not a lout, and if there is one thing that screams lout louder than ownership of a Ford Escort RS200, it is ownership of this years team kit for the team of choice, and a Stella Artois habit that rivals that of the entirety of the European contient.

These things appear to go together, because where I am from, match day, for football fans means gathering in a pub, drinking more than is physically possible, let alone recommended, and having a fight after the game, outside the pub, no matter what the result was. A pox upon the whole bloody affair.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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I'm not getting into a UTD vs Liverpool argument but if you want to look at kids and young players, look at us. Liverpool let Thomas Ince go for next to nothing and are buying him back for 7 Million, they Suandered I don't know how much on Carroll, and Sterling could be on his way out. Liverpool could be relegated, they don't have a very good team at all.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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Of course it was fixed....with so much money involved and interests. If you'd ask me not only this draw has been fixed but many other events where big money or interests are involved.

People should become aware that we do not live in an age with strong moral compass. Greed, prestige, fame and influencial contacts is what most people fall for. The opportunity and distraction is just too much for them to resist.

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posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating


(For Americans: Champions League is, besides the Superbowl, the worlds biggest Sports event)




Not it's not...


The Olympics is...... then the World Cup.

Champions League........ and THEN Superbowl ,, wouldn't be anywhere near the other two in terms of numbers.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Personally, I lean toward it being a fix, but I guess there is a slight chance this coincidence could have been just that a coincidence.

Either way, as an Arsenal fan I am not that happy we drawed Bayern Munich.



posted on Dec, 21 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by TrueBrit
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No , no university for me. I am a working class fellow as it happens. But I am not a lout, and if there is one thing that screams lout louder than ownership of a Ford Escort RS200, it is ownership of this years team kit for the team of choice, and a Stella Artois habit that rivals that of the entirety of the European contient.

These things appear to go together, because where I am from, match day, for football fans means gathering in a pub, drinking more than is physically possible, let alone recommended, and having a fight after the game, outside the pub, no matter what the result was. A pox upon the whole bloody affair.



Rough neighbourhood then, don't tar everyone with the same brush, if it wasn't football it would only be something else. You can't actually drink more than is physically possible, it isn't physically possible to do so, Before you start claiming people are intellectually inferior, you may want to think twice before posting.





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