Originally posted by detachedindividual
This is occurring in two ways, with those accepting of the conspiracy offering no evidence to support their claims, and also ignoring any evidence
which dispels their claims.
This is the first problem – each side (not just “their side”) of the coin says “the other side” offers no evidence…and ignores any
evidence that contradicts.
In my observation, when a “non-believer” puts forth evidence that substantially quells the theory, participation in such threads normally starts
I and others have responded with several opinions, offering explanations for the presence of a place called Sandy Hook in a scene in the Batman story,
with evidence, research and factual information - which is then ignored.
While your explanations may have been the ultimate truth (in the above regards), there is no way you can substantially refute subjective, ethereal,
esoteric or even “spiritual” suspicions with such facts. Likewise, there is little chance that someone suspecting or believing in this
“extra-natural” factor in the equation, will be able to substantially explain “why” they believe it, much less – “prove” it…
And – as you say – it is an emotive subject…for both sides.
(No-one likes to be “told” they are saying something stupid…
They are more likely to accept that they’ve taken a premature leap to an illogical conclusion – if you don’t tell them so…and rather, let them
believe they’ve seen it…on their own...)
However, it is a fact that these people believe that the movies are sending them messages, that a secret organization is releasing clues through
Hollywood and music to "warn" people or "trigger" events. Clearly, when there is no evidence for such a claim, and plenty of evidence to explain
and offer an innocent alternative, believing the delusion is indeed an indication of mental instability.
Pretty much disagree with your conclusion, here.
You have approached the question with a judgment already in mind.
If you cannot approach the question “in neutral” you will almost always demonstrate a bias in the “conclusion”.
...That is the purpose of this thread. I would like to request that ATS begin offering a link somewhere on the forums to an on-line counselling
service, or provide a page offering sound advice in how to deal with these issues.
...There is a growing sense amongst many on ATS that mental instability is increasing here, and this should concern all of us....
We cannot, in all conscience, see people denying that any child died in Sandy Hook Elementary School, calling grieving parents "actors" and
suggesting the movies are sending them messages and NOT respond with some sane and reasoned reply, service or advice.
Hey – Great. Counseling for the do-do’s (doh-doh’s).
Maybe there could just be an application, three reputable character references, and a “waiting period”…then, every-one of the first 20 posts are
evaluated by a professional team of psychologists (who meet the approval of the top 100 ATS vetters
)…before anyone is allowed to offer
information or opinions.
Your last paragraph (above) is a prime example of “bias”…
Have you seen one/any of those reported to have been killed?
What do you know of any of the facts, that you were not told?
Were you there?
If not – you are taking someone-else’s word for it…
If you are convinced that those feeding you “the facts” are entirely on the up and up…that’s your choice… Many here would count “you”
(or – anyone who doesn’t question every
thing they are told by this group…)…crazy (or – undiscerning).
As to the remainder of the OP…it’s all pretty much the same as the start. (imo)
You have assumed that your view is of a higher (more qualified & intelligent) quality, and anyone who is not of the same opinion, is probably one that
should be directed to the support pages you’ve called for.
Sorry that I don’t agree with you on these points.
I agree that there are some “out there” theories proposed… I also know that I’ve been involved in many “exploratory meetings” (whether in
business or other organizations) where “the wildest ideas” are encouraged to be introduced…to aid in expanding the boundaries of the box…
So – while there are surely some on ATS, whose psychological health might be in question – there’s no way around that. If you truly care about
what you’ve proposed – the best you can do is “help” them see – and they WILL NOT SEE if you TELL THEM THEY’RE WRONG.
Just as you will probably not find any value in this response…
(Keep on truckin', though - I do generally want to see what you have to say! :up