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Englishman John Locke is the real Father of America

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posted on Dec, 17 2012 @ 12:34 PM
I would have thought your unsung heros should have been the natives, who chose not to butcher the various settlers as they stepped off thier boats. In all honesty that sacrifice is what lead to the possibility of a colony, let alone the formulation of a nation under the pretext layed down by the gentlemen the OP mentions. And make no mistake, a sacrifice it most assuredly was. The native culture that existed in America before the settlement of the continent by Europeans, barely exists at all now, but for in some very isolated areas, and in nothing like the same state in which it was found.

Thank them for your current position, thank them for your constitution. Without thier staggering forebearance, America would never have even become a glimmer in the eye of its founders.

posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 05:54 AM
reply to post by TrueBrit

it wasn't the revolutionaries that landed in America and confronted the Indians

those ppl were the British/Spanish explorers/conquerers remember ?

the colonies were around for a couple hundred years before the revolutionaries were even born.
it was not Americans that invaded this territory, we won it via battle like any other.

posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 06:17 AM
reply to post by spangledbanner was the Dutch.

We created the original declaration (known as the Plakkaat), written to justify the actions of a long-suffering Dutch people to shake off colonial domination and establish a sovereign nation in 1581.

Locke, about a hunderd years later, stayed in Holland for five years, writing and enjoying our political and religious toleration. I guess we inspired him.......

It ain't much without the Dutch.


posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 06:22 AM

Originally posted by spangledbanner

John Locke is the father of libertarianism.

John Locke is not the father of libertarianism. The term did not even come into use until well over 100 years after his death, and the term was first used by Anarchists.

As is well known, anarchists use the terms “libertarian”, “libertarian socialist” and “libertarian communist” as equivalent to “anarchist” and, similarly, “libertarian socialism” or “libertarian communism” as an alternative for “anarchism.” This is perfectly understandable, as the anarchist goal is freedom, liberty, and the ending of all hierarchical and authoritarian institutions and social relations.

Unfortunately, in the United States the term “libertarian” has become, since the 1970s, associated with the right-wing, i.e., supporters of “free-market” capitalism. That defenders of the hierarchy associated with private property seek to associate the term “libertarian” for their authoritarian system is both unfortunate and somewhat unbelievable to any genuine libertarian. Equally unfortunately, thanks to the power of money and the relative small size of the anarchist movement in America, this appropriation of the term has become, to a large extent, the default meaning there. Somewhat ironically, this results in some right-wing “libertarians” complaining that we genuine libertarians have “stolen” their name in order to associate our socialist ideas with it!

150 years of Libertarian

Modern American "Libertarianism" has little to do with with anything else called libertarianism that came before it.

John Locke is in fact known as the father of Liberalism.

John Locke is one of the founders of “liberal” political philosophy, the philosophy of individual rights and limited govern­ment.

edit on 12/18/2012 by ANOK because: (no reason given)

posted on Dec, 18 2012 @ 11:22 PM
reply to post by Honor93

Interesting it focused on Jefferson no? When Madison, Jay and Hamilton were out defending it. One would think if Jefferson was the source he would be defending it. Madison is by far the most influential in the semantics of the Constitution with Adams being the chief cheerleader of its principles before its ratification.

posted on Dec, 19 2012 @ 12:24 AM
reply to post by ownbestenemy

i tend to favor Ben Franklin as he is the only one who signed all 4 documents establishing the country and he was instrumental in Washington being chosen as President.

posted on Jan, 2 2013 @ 09:11 AM

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by spangledbanner

Jefferson composed the original draft ??
well, that's been disputed forever.

and some would say it originated via Thomas Paine.
don't suppose you've realized that they were all Englishmen who were dissatisifed with English rule ?

and no, why would we thank one influential person when even Jefferson held 3 in his highest regard ? mabe this would help clear the cobwebs in your cranium ??

You have just been trolled by an anti-american Chinese supremacist. Seriously, look up all of the OP's topics and they all involve the same thing: bashing America.

Really is pathetic that this troll is so utterly predictable.

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