What Happens When Everbody Comes Off Their Meds ?

My 15 year addiction to opiates (pain pills) ended 2 months ago....finally. I was hooked after a back injury while being overworked as a slave at UPS and another job I had. Also, about 15 years ago I took Prozac for a couple years. Both I became mentally and physically dependent on and the withdrawals were hell. I'm so glad I'm finally prescription/pill free...

This entire year I worried about 12-21-12 and wondered what it would be like to go through some catastrophic situation with withdrawal symptoms. Now when and if the SHTF I can sit back and enjoy it without being miserable.

If all the people in say, our US, were cut off... oh the horror. First, many very frail people would expire. Then, the folks on the serious brain medication would really go loony. We would see the number of murders and bizarre acts of domestic violence go up even higher than the alarming recent rates. While I wish most of these people hadn't been duped into believing they need these meds in the first place, I'd hate to see everyone go cold turkey, it'd be a disaster.

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I've always loved your posts and I'm sure you've heard this before, but... please dear god be careful with Xanax and Ambien, many people have experienced some truly terrible consequences as a result of those substances. I'm sure you aren't dizzy enough to mix those with alcohol but I am frightened by the combination nonetheless!

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unfortunately, they will die.




and if they care about their survival (in an economic collapse) ... they would start looking for alternatives NOW.

Originally posted by seeker1963
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Add onto that scenario the amount of people who will die from not having access to medicines that they rely on to keep them alive.......

I have seen news articles popping up the past year that a lot of medicines that people need are no longer being manufactured by big pharm and there are shortages already happening for these drugs. I cannot fathom this happening by no other design other than it is being done on purpose...

Current Drug Shortages

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It is very interesting that many of these drugs have an estimated recovery in 1Q 2013. Wonder if it has anything to do with ObamaCare?

Won't Obamacare put even more people on legal drugs, paid for by the taxpayers, making big pharma rich.
Doctors I hear get perks for giving out prescriptions.

It's formula for calamity.
Obamacare+Big Pharma+Drug Dependent Populace+Doctors getting perks= Drugged up civilization.

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Actually it will be for the best.
I get depressed sometimes and have anxieties, but everyone does. You have to face it or you aren't getting the full experience of life. I mean how many millions are on say, lexapro? That is one drug treating millions of people when no two of them are feeling the same thing. You would probably have to have a new pill for every single person to actually treat each person correctly. I think these drugs are relieving people's minds in a way that is very bad for them.

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Xanax and ambien? Your doctor's a nut. None of my business, but I at least hope you are on a small dose of xanax like .5 a day.

Heck, I'd like to see what the Western countries would look like without the influence of coffee. I'm convinced it causes a LOT of our problems, from a winner-take-all mentality, to our war-like tendencies, to an inability to realize that profit and mindless consumerism is killing the planet and making us all less than human.

Originally posted by jasonl1983
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I've always loved your posts and I'm sure you've heard this before, but... please dear god be careful with Xanax and Ambien, many people have experienced some truly terrible consequences as a result of those substances. I'm sure you aren't dizzy enough to mix those with alcohol but I am frightened by the combination nonetheless!

I'm aware that they are similar, and so have a syngergistic effect. I am ultra-careful with dosing, dose at exact times, and I only take what is necessary. I also don't drink.....ever...because my body treats alcohol like a toxin and it makes me really sick (think migraines and vomiting after only a little drink). Yeah, I'm a real dud at parties. I leave alcohol for others. Honestly, the last time I ingested alcohol has got to be over 5 years ago, and that was a few sips of champagne on new year's eve. Gave me a fricking headache.

I can see where alcohol would really make the combination dangerous, but I taken these for years. I also take a minimal amount. I do this because of the nature of these drugs. Like opiates, you can increase the dosage, but it'll never be enough in the long run. The dosage I take makes it likely that I could probably go off of them if I had to, and not suffer too badly.

I have considered the SHTF scenario and so I make sure that I will be okay if suddenly I cannot get anymore.

I remember seeing a "Doomsday Prepper" show in which an old couple needed prescription drugs on a daily basis, so they would skip one or two days a month, to try and build up a supply.

Eventually, though, it'll run out. Better to plan for a day in which the Rx will no longer be there, which I have done. But while they're available, I take them. If any of you have rheumatoid arthritis and try sleeping with incredible joint pain and insomnia, you'd understand why I take them while I can.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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Xanax and ambien? Your doctor's a nut. None of my business, but I at least hope you are on a small dose of xanax like .5 a day.

No, actually he's not.....see my above post regarding another posters worries over what I take.

And yeah, my doses are minimal.

forget about bigfoot, find an american that isn't on med's.
they dont even try to hide it.
is there some kind of degenerate pride in having to take med's?

I came off my A.D.H.D medication about a month ago and have never felt better I have more energy and can still think clearly. Honestly the only thing the medicine really did for me was making me quite submissive to everyone's whims and wishes; which I suspect is the reason for the medication's existence. Then again after reading a few comments I see it's not just limited to these psychological drugs that I was once taking but that is my tale anyway and is just a small bit of it. The other was the fact that they had to use me as a guinea pig to find the "right one" which made it worse in the long run, either way off it now and happy .

You guys are focusing too much on personality disorder drugs.

What about all the diabetics? People who need dialysis or kidney/liver drugs? Heart drugs, anti constriction drugs and whatever else just to live everyday??

Most American Adults are unhealthy and almost half of them obese, there is no way that these people will survive any collapse without major pains, if survival for them is even possible. This is why I find the survivalists to be such a bore, they got 100 guns and truckloads of ammo but take away their insulin for a day and they drop dead.

Originally posted by Rikku
forget about bigfoot, find an american that isn't on med's.
they dont even try to hide it.
is there some kind of degenerate pride in having to take med's?

Yes. I've noticed it as well. These "Mericans like to use trendy pharmaceutical terms and like to show off their knowledge of what does what to what region of the brain, what receptor, how they feel on them, what kind of buzz they get, how to mix them for maximum uptake and all kinds of other pharm drug related silly bull-crap..rational people simply avoid these things and find out the side-effects before subjecting themselves to them first.

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It's ok if you are prompt, but just the nature of the two drugs make it a bit dangerous. If you ever felt you needed to take more they are both horrible for memory lapses so you could unknowingly overdose.

If there is ever a shtf scenario i'd say the pharmacies will be the first places people hit lol, people will get their meds and then after they might go for their bread and water.

Even antibiotics, I try and avoid them at all cost, but I once got blood poisoning from a tiny cut, and was forced onto them, it was that or perhaps lose an appendage. My point is anytime you cut yourself you could get this.
Or any infection, we now have a population that is dependent on these as well, just to fight off basic infections.

What happens when we don't have these as well, people will die from basic infections that 100 years ago the body could have looked after on it's own.

I think it would be a very rare person that has never taken antibiotics in the western world.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
I wasn't really sure where on ATS to post this so it goes into general. On another forum a member expressed dismay that so many of his colleagues where now on legal drugs of all sorts and most of them were for emotional and mental support and control. That has made me reflect on this situation.

More and more people are depending on legal drugs to cope with life's issues, some are of their own doing, some are thrust upon them through no fault of there own. However the dependency on legal drug use is skyrocketing. For example I have relative that works at a large company that has health benefits.They track the percentage of expenses used and where they are going. 10 years ago only 10% went to legal mental and emotional support drugs, now 80% goes towards it, remember this is 80% of ALL health claims. It rose a staggering 70% in just 10 years.

Now here is my concern if a terrible major calamity strikes of any type, and these people can't get there meds refilled, where does that leave them and the people around them. If they couldn't cope when things were basically "normal" how will they react when things are very ugly and they have no meds.
If you have 75% of the population suddenly coming off all there meds at the same time the result for society won't be good.

Let's hope they don't all own guns either. Because massive suicides and raging are a real possibility.

So if the TBTB cause a SHTF scenario and it's worldwide, and within lets say 3 months all the prescription meds have run out, and everybody is coming off at the same time.

Am I the only one that see's a major problem developing with this level of dependency ?

I would say if you are survivalist wean yourself off all mental an emotional support drugs.
Personally I refuse to take them, even though a councillor once recommended them to me after I had a death in the family.
Another doctor told a friend of mine that was majorly depressed, I could give you a subscription to help you, but first I want to ask you, can you work this out without medical assistance of drugs, thinking about it he realized he would be using these meds as a fake way to cope with reality. He declined and got better.

This is something to think about.

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The Bible actually talks about mass suicides in the end times.

This could be one reason why. It makes sense.

If you have a mass of people on anti depressants; and then all the sudden can't get their meds; they will be depressed ;especially in a messed up culture ; world.


I see what the Bible describes ; mass suicides.

I'm not on any medications but need special foods to treat my epilepsy. If these become unavailable I may have some problems. I have tried many different combinations of food chemistry and make sure I have seed in place to make sure I have these things on hand. I also know how to replace my wife's meds with simple things. Even the zoloft won't be a problem, I know the chemistry in nature to replace all these things. I might have a problem with dosage when using foods and spices to regulate things but that won't take long to figure out. I still need to get a big box of tea for our reserves. Should have about two hundred bags anyway in stock.

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It may also be that a lot are prescribed them and don't take them for reasons of the second one you said, being forced onto them, maybe at the risk of losing their jobs. I had the drugs forced on me at the risk of losing my kids believe it or not, I filled the script and never took one single dose it went straight to the can, and filled it every month. So a percentage of them could be doing that as well. (Obviously this world is sick that they can basically say you have something without evidence or support from other professionals and threaten taking your kids away). This world is just plain sick. But not everybody will sit and listen to them when they try to pump them with drugs. Some will still have the mind to think for themselves, and not fall for the brainwashing or retarded misdiagnoses from medical professionals...thats an oxymoron anymore lol, medical professional...bwahahahaha