You have to ask yourself, why THIS video outraged Rush Limbaugh

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Originally posted by Variable
reply to post by XPLodER

 

well ill do your homework for you then School District Owes $1 Billion On $100 Million Loan
WHO is the taker class?
www.npr.org...
you simply have no idea at all do you, socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor and you cheer then on xploder

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. Your saying California schools taking out stupid loans is the fault of the rich? Wouldn't that be the school system at fault? I thought the answers were all with the Intellectuals that run academia? Why would these folks be borrowing money like this? Shouldn't you be mad at the idiots who got the loans...? Why can't we blame the people who do stupid things. The world is getting so strange.

V

No...we SHOULDN'T be mad at the people who took out the loans. We should be mad at the cheapskates who make it necessary for SCHOOLS to borrow money because we are too busy buying overpriced weapon-systems to kill civilians in the Middle East.

A SINGLE tactical Tomahawk Cruise Missile costs $1.5 MILLION DOLLARS. You will likely work and be taxed your ENTIRE LIFETIME for the privilege of buying ONE of these monstrosities which was used to blow up a $6 tent and a camel in the middle of nowhere.

...the problem ISN'T the schools.

We spend more per student than most other school systems in the world, so obviously simply throwing money at the problem does not help.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by Signals

 

Ed Asner, even if he has millions, is not part of the system that siphons the wealth out of this country.

HA HA he is if he has a 401k & a stockholder in any company , ahh his need for 1/4ly profits are to blame .he should call all the EVIL C.E.O of all the companies he is invested in & tell them he wants to help the little people so he doesnt need to make the profits.....oh wait.........

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Originally posted by Variable
reply to post by XPLodER

 

well ill do your homework for you then School District Owes $1 Billion On $100 Million Loan
WHO is the taker class?
www.npr.org...
you simply have no idea at all do you, socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor and you cheer then on xploder

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. Your saying California schools taking out stupid loans is the fault of the rich? Wouldn't that be the school system at fault? I thought the answers were all with the Intellectuals that run academia? Why would these folks be borrowing money like this? Shouldn't you be mad at the idiots who got the loans...? Why can't we blame the people who do stupid things. The world is getting so strange.

V

No...we SHOULDN'T be mad at the people who took out the loans. We should be mad at the cheapskates who make it necessary for SCHOOLS to borrow money because we are too busy buying overpriced weapon-systems to kill civilians in the Middle East.

A SINGLE tactical Tomahawk Cruise Missile costs $1.5 MILLION DOLLARS. You will likely work and be taxed your ENTIRE LIFETIME for the privilege of buying ONE of these monstrosities which was used to blow up a $6 tent and a camel in the middle of nowhere.

...the problem ISN'T the schools.

We spend more per student than most other school systems in the world, so obviously simply throwing money at the problem does not help.

i agree if money solves all then DC SCHOOLS should be far and away the best!!!!!!!!!

I'm no military expert but it's generally accepted that hi-tech warfare is the way to go and it's not a technology sector where costs drop over time due economies of scale, mass availability of technology and so on. Those boom boom toys are getting very expensive and the government are having less to show for their money - even if America's military budget is bigger than anyone else's.

It depends what the actual goal is. Superior military technology is usually the SINGLE biggest determining factor in deciding who wins the battle...but historically speaking it has little to no relevance in determining who wins the wars.

...and that's has been EXACTLY our problem since WWII. The GERMANS were FAR, FAR, more technologically advanced and had much better military hardware...but we beat them anyways.

There was LITERALLY no comparison between military might in Korea OR Vietnam...and yet we managed to eke out a stalemate in one got our ass handed to us in the other. Hell...in Korea there were actually several instances where US forces were overrun by the Chinese "soldiers" who were equipped only with sticks and rocks. They just kept charging the machine gun nests until we ran out of bullets and/or the machine guns melted down. The NVA in vietnam was using the russian made AK-47...but some of the guerrilla peasants were still using MUSKETS left over from the early French colonial period.

We "won" Iraq 1.0 without breaking a sweat...only to have to come back for Iraq 2.0 a decade later. Iraq 2.0 was all "Mission Accomplished" in short order...and we are STILL losing that war to this very day.

We STUPIDLY keep confusing "winning battles" with "winning wars". The Carthaginians had their entire CULTURE eradicated off the face of planet earth and they had one of the most brilliant military generals in the history of the world, a superior navy, better factors of production and more wealth than did their Roman victors at the time. Nevertheless...it ultimately didn't matter how many battles Hannibal won...the end result was that Scipio Africanus STILL quite literally disassembled the city of Carthage brick by brick then proceeded to actually sew the fields with SALT for 50 miles in every direction so that it was assured no crops could possibly grow there again for decades and finally took the remaining survivors and scattered them to every corner of the empire as slaves thus effectively erasing any possibility of Carthaginian resurgence.

Sometimes it actually causes me physical pain to see how absolutely STUPID our politicians are.

Originally posted by blackz28

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by Signals

 

Ed Asner, even if he has millions, is not part of the system that siphons the wealth out of this country.

HA HA he is if he has a 401k & a stockholder in any company , ahh his need for 1/4ly profits are to blame .

See my earlier post on the subject.

Ed Asner absolutely practices what he preaches. His net worth is only $1.5 million and he dedicated his life outside of acting to charitable causes.

Remember...Asner isn't a COMMUNIST...he's a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. He believes that it's GOOD to make a lot of money...but that there is ALSO a point where it just becomes gluttonous and shameful.

Kind of like how most of us agree that eating a cheeseburger isn't going to kill you...but eating 10 of them per day every single day of your life will almost CERTAINLY lead you to an early grave.

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Originally posted by blackz28

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by Signals

 

Ed Asner, even if he has millions, is not part of the system that siphons the wealth out of this country.

HA HA he is if he has a 401k & a stockholder in any company , ahh his need for 1/4ly profits are to blame .

See my earlier post on the subject.

Ed Asner absolutely practices what he preaches. His net worth is only $1.5 million and he dedicated his life outside of acting to charitable causes.

Remember...Asner isn't a COMMUNIST...he's a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. He believes that it's GOOD to make a lot of money...but that there is ALSO a point where it just becomes gluttonous and shameful.

Kind of like how most of us agree that eating a cheeseburger isn't going to kill you...but eating 10 of them per day every single day of your life will almost CERTAINLY lead you to an early grave.

ok your right i wanna help poor ed asner with his fear of dieing from glutteny so im gonna take 1.2 mill off of ed's hands then he can live till hes 110 & he helped the little guy

We spend more per student than most other school systems in the world, so obviously simply throwing money at the problem does not help.

Correct...but NEITHER does simply cutting the funding.

Unfortunately, us Americans are just going to have to actually get off our asses for once in our life and stop assuming that all problems can explained and/or solved simply by looking at ONLY the bottom line on a financial balance sheet.

That's what kills me about ALL of these damn politicians. It's all about "should we spend more $...or less $" instead of WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY BUYING WITH THAT MONEY, WHAT SORTS OF FUNDAMENTAL PRACTICES ARE WORKING/NOT WORKING, AND WHAT ACTUAL ACTION STEPS ARE NEEDED TO ACTUALLY REVERSE THE TRENDS.

I live in Wisconsin under the criminal Scott Walker regime and I've witnessed this nonsensical approach FIRST HAND. Walker is a fascist puppet of the Koch brothers who has an enormous amount of his staffers in prison or under criminal investigation for election fraud and bribery (as if the current rules for political donations weren't generous enough) but has somehow conned many Wisconsinites into thinking that he has something in common with Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.

So Walker makes good on his promise to "reign in spending" on our public university system because "tuition is out of control". Great. Sounds wonderful as a headline. The UW System conforms to his (quite absurd) new budget and they kill new degree programs in material sciences, GIS, Business Intelligence, and all of the other things the schools DESPERATELY need to invest in if we ever hope to produce an engineer in this country ever again because THOSE ARE DEGREE PROGRAMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY EXPENSIVE. They require new professors, equipment, updated training for the professors that they already have, etc. What doesn't get cut? The goofy degrees in things like Sanskrit, Asian Philosophy & Literature, and Underwater BasketWeaving...because cutting those programs puts $0 back on the bottom line. It's just textbooks and a few professors which the University will STILL have to employ for OTHER degree programs that any university is expected to have anyways.

Likewise...when the UW system went 10% overbudget last year...the prick turns around and slashes their budget for the next year by 33% strictly as a punitive measure. Bear in mind, that some of the biggest costs that went out of whack AS LINE ITEMS were under energy costs, snow removal, insurance increases....NONE OF WHICH THE UNIVERSITY HAS ANY DIRECT CONTROL OVER.

So...wouldn't a LOGICAL person look for ways to REDUCE THOSE ENERGY PRICES?? Every one of the MASSIVE buildings in the UW system are heated with hot water. Various departments of academics got together, collaborated, and proposed a vacuum-tube solar hot water system which could be incorporated in conjunction with the boiler systems to reduce heating costs by up to 30%, pay for themselves in 2-3 years (depending how cold the next couple winters happened to be), and provide a WONDERFUL HANDS-ON learning opportunity for our next batch of engineering, architecture, mathematics, and computer science graduates as well as LOCAL JOBS ALL ACROSS THE STATE. The down side? Yep...in order to SAVE MONEY in the long-term...we have to spend a LITTLE BIT to update the finest technological thinking 1961 had to offer. As you can imagine...the proposal was rejected because Ideology, Dogma, & Rhetoric dictate that tax money can only be "spent" and it's not possible for it to be "invested wisely". The end result? Their budget was punitively slashed, the kids are dumber, Wisconsin still ranks 50 out 50 in job growth, and not addressing exponential increases in energy costs over the last 50 years have assured that we can look forward to more of the same next year.

He did the same thing with the rail lines. The Feds offered WI an $810 GRANT to construct a new, state of the art, high-speed rail line between Milwaukee and Madison. Walker declined it because it was "too expensive"...and then proceeded to BORROW $500 million dollars into cobbling together our obsolete Amtrak line to function for another year. That's the material equivalent of saying that buying a new Honda Civic is "more expensive" than keeping your '52 Plymouth running as your daily driver.

Arbitrarily spending money will not solve any more problems that arbitrarily NOT spending money. It's WHAT ARE WE SPENDING IT ON that's actually relevant.

Originally posted by blackz28

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Originally posted by blackz28

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by Signals

 

Ed Asner, even if he has millions, is not part of the system that siphons the wealth out of this country.

HA HA he is if he has a 401k & a stockholder in any company , ahh his need for 1/4ly profits are to blame .

See my earlier post on the subject.

Ed Asner absolutely practices what he preaches. His net worth is only $1.5 million and he dedicated his life outside of acting to charitable causes.

Remember...Asner isn't a COMMUNIST...he's a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. He believes that it's GOOD to make a lot of money...but that there is ALSO a point where it just becomes gluttonous and shameful.

Kind of like how most of us agree that eating a cheeseburger isn't going to kill you...but eating 10 of them per day every single day of your life will almost CERTAINLY lead you to an early grave.

ok your right i wanna help poor ed asner with his fear of dieing from glutteny so im gonna take 1.2 mill off of ed's hands then he can live till hes 110 & he helped the little guy

Spoken like a fool who watches far too much Fox News.

Once again... Ed Asner has NOTHING against being wealthy. He's wealthy himself. He thinks MORE PEOPLE should have $1 million in the bank like he does and LESS PEOPLE should have tens of billions in the bank.

So long as you aren't one of the select few who has TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars in the bank...Ed Asner is advocating for YOUR own best interests. Even if you are not intelligent enough to realize it.

reply to post by openminded2011


People waking up to what? That the teachers unions, who as a whole are doing well in these times, seem to love a cartoon that depicts lies and half truths as truth????

The video is a crock. And so is the teachers union.

Originally posted by NavyDoc
Yes, it is damned simple, but you missed the simple part. Taxation and "redistribution" do not help the economy. The most inefficient way to use a dollar is to send it through the government. Sending money to Washington is a way of keeping money out of circulation and we lose vast amounts of that economic lifeblood blood through the bureaucracy and cronyism that is the federal government.

I disagree,

Giving a dollar to an effing company or entity that takes that money to China or the Caymans is
worse.

Giving it to a lazy fat billionaire (who hasn't lifted an actual finger in decade) so he can use it to invest
in making gasoline MORE expensive for the American people is worse.

Giving a billion dollars to a single man who will park it all over the globe in support of globalism is worse.

Originally posted by Rezlooper
You're all a bunch of Robin Hood's hey? Why should anyone work hard to succeed anymore just to have it taken from them to pay everyone else's way. I know you'll say that that's simply not true and you work hard but yet you support taking from the "rich" so that government can spend, spend and spend some more as long you get this and you get that, right?

Please. Donald Trump, the Koch Brothers, Mitt Romney, Paris Hilton etc haven't worked a day in their damn lives. They born into their stations in life just like the european monarchy we fought the revolutionary war to get away from. For every Steve Jobs you have 50 no-talent spoiled brats who got everything they have from their mommy and daddy.

When are people going to address the real problem, a government out of control spending money they simply don't have, instead of defending this and blaming the rich because they don't pay enough. I'd rather the rich continue to donate to charities, as they do in great numbers, and then allow these charities to help the poor. Mitt Romney caught hell because he paid 14% tax, yet, people fail to realize he donated just over $4 million (30% of his take home) to charity while Obama donated $172,000, and better yet, Biden donated $5,000.

Church's cease being "charities" when they become tools of political manipulation. I would personally rather the Federal Government take Mitt Romney's "charity money" and give it straight to The Taliban in the form of suitcase nukes as opposed to a group who earnestly attempts to sidestep the separation of church and state in our constitution. It just seems far less dangerous to me.

The sad part about this is that the more the government taxes the rich, the less they will donate to charities. And, the government's track record in anything is dismal, so we'd rather have feds do the helping rather than the charities who are on the front lines and are out there in our local communities?

Yeah...that's not sad at all considering what passes for "charities" these days.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by openminded2011

 

People waking up to what? That the teachers unions, who as a whole are doing well in these times, seem to love a cartoon that depicts lies and half truths as truth????

The video is a crock. And so is the teachers union.

What is untrue about the video?

Specifically?

I was unaware that anyone gave two shats about what Rush Limbaugh thought! LMAO I know I don't!

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by openminded2011

 

People waking up to what? That the teachers unions, who as a whole are doing well in these times, seem to love a cartoon that depicts lies and half truths as truth????

The video is a crock. And so is the teachers union.

Really?

The Powers That Be first broke up the Native American tribes. Then they broke up the cultural identification people had with the "old world". Then they redefined "family" to mean NUCLEAR family instead of extended family as it had since time immemorial. Then they started breaking up labor unions during the Reagan administration. Then they started breaking up "American's" into "African Americans", "Hispanic Americans", "Asian Americans", etc. Then they decided that the Nuclear family was too big and started breaking that up. Then they started breaking down christians until they were just a finely pulverized mash up of "non-denominational" christians...easier to persuade that way.

...do you REALLY think we need break up the last remaining labor unions?

In case you haven't noticed...the ONLY groups that the media and society in general tells you it's "OK" to belong to are either the Red Team or the Blue Team. EVERYTHING else in US history has been designed to break you down so that you are nothing but a single individual standing against the world and increasingly oppressive systems of BOTH government AND private commerce with nobody to turn to, nowhere to run, and nothing to identify with besides the false cultural war of Red vs. Blue.

The labor unions were broken NOT because of whether or not they were "good" or "bad" for business...but rather because people unifying over a PROFESSION, SKILL, OR TRADE, risks unification ACROSS demographic lines. If people think of themselves as "teachers" or "electricians" or "plumbers" FIRST...then they are going to be LESS LIKELY to turn their back on somebody because the TV told them that "black people like Obama" or that "Ron Paul can't win" or "gay people are evil" or WHATEVER.

Even as the Ruling class forms SuperPAC after SuperPAC to UNIFY THEIR ECONOMIC INTERESTS...they have somehow managed to convince the American Peasant NOT to support our veterans, firefighters, police officers, teachers, and craftsman because forming a group based to promote the shared economic and social interests of a given profession is somehow only OK for your slave masters to do.

It's sad...but you have to admire the incredible salesmanship in the brain washing.

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Get me a written transcript, as I can't find one, and I will gladly pick it apart.

Boy...I'm going to piss some folks off with this post.

We have a broken system. Our Gov is not efficient in any way, shape or form. I am not against the things we need to do as a collective...they need to be done. We need to build bridges and roads...we need to manage our waterways and rivers...it's called civilization...it's what intelligent creatures do.

The problem is...our Gov is the most wasteful organization ever...and why is that? Part of it...in my humble opinion...is that we do not hire the brightest people to do a job...we have all these rules about who can be hired...we have this wonderfully broken thing called "affirmative action". In principle, I understand why it came to be. People can be pricks...they hire their uncles and brothers and cousins...whether they are qualified or not...sometimes people hire because of race or sex....not smart but...it is what it is. So we created this rule to try and make things fair...and it is horribly broken.

You hire who is best qualified to do a job. I don't care what sex they are or what color of skin they have...but what we are doing now is completely screwed...we demand "X" amount of minorities..."X" amount of women...whether or not they are qualified is irrelevant...so we end up with a cluster f*ck in offices...people that are about as sharp as a bowling ball running the day to day business of a state....pretty stupid isn't it? It's no wonder a toilet seat costs $300.00 and a hammer is $400.00...all these little "tin gods" have to sign off on the purchase...stupidity at it's finest. Just buy the damn hammer....

If our Giv was more efficient, it would not take near as much money as it does to operate...but we wanted to make things "fair" and in doing so...we have created a broken system...a system wherre excellence is not the goal...no wonder people don't want to pay their "fair share" ...it supports a broken system of absolute inefficiency...

The Gov has it's place...there are things they are supposed to take care of...waterlines...interstates...etc...etc...etc. We have a need for this...but the problem is...we are not hiring the best and the brightest to carry these things out for us and so therefore...we have huge amounts of waste. IF the GOV could be efficient...if the GOV hired the best and the brightest...we might could get somewhere...but we don't. We have this illusion that says we need to hire a little bit of everything...and that is bullsh!t....we need to have really smart people running the day to day operations...not bodies to meet an agenda of "fairness"...I don't want fair...I want smart and efficient....I want the sharpest knife in the drawer to get a job done...if that happens to be a minority...fine...but the color or sex is secondary to getting sh!t done...

You are in control of this. If you continue to allow your state and local GOV to hire based on sex or skin color...you are the reason we are failing...how about...demanding the best and the brightest...why is that such a terrible thing...

teachers union is a joke , thats pretty much a given the only people that dont think so are teachers & the left lol
the agenda & the student are very divorced ,sad the crap i had to get involved in at my sons school , because of the teachers union.
everybody in the private sector hasnt had a raise in years & the unions are complaining that that we want the teachers to kick in 10 of their own medical coverage
kill the unions & bring on the charter schools !!!!

a friend of mine posted this on facebook and got some backlash for it, and very unfairly. it seems to come from the phrase "rich people". to me at least, the video simply means mega corporations and big banks.

it seems pretty accurate to me. they make the laws and control the country through money, which allows them to make MORE money. it's not far fetched or a hard concept to grasp.

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THIS IS JUST CRAZY

I guess what that FAT Dullard Rush Limbaugh's show is, is just entertainment then. His show is ALL PROPOGNDA for the right. Good god is Fox that obtuse?...wait......yes....yes they are. For that matter what the hell does Fox think they are? wow just when i didn't think they could get any more hypocritical.