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Originally posted by XPLodER
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Originally posted by Tearman
The way I see it is those who posses great wealth aren't doing anybody much good at the moment. So they might as well part with it!
It isn't as if the wealth wont flow back up to the top, anyway. The parting will only be temporary. In the meantime, all that wealth that is sitting around doing nobody no good will be put to some good use for a while.
Sippin the socialist koolaid. Mmm Mmm.
The propaganda got to ya.
I think you people are confusing the people who worked their way to their wealth with the ones who steal it from the taxpayers with the government's help - Wall Street. But hell, to you rich peoples is rich peoples, right? Toss em all in the same boat.
socialism for the rich,
BILLIONAIRES WARN HIGHER TAXES COULD PREVENT THEM FROM BUYING POLITICIANS
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Introducing a new wrinkle into the already fraught fiscal cliff showdown, a consortium of billionaires today warned that if their taxes are raised they will no longer have enough money to buy politicians.
The group, led by casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson, commissioned a new study showing that the cost of an average politician has soared exponentially over the past decade.
While the American family has seen increases in the cost of food, health care and education, Mr. Adelson says, “those costs don’t compare with the cost of buying a politician, which has gone through the roof.”
www.newyorker.com...
you dont seem to realise,
there are two types of rich people,
those who use their wealth for good
and then theres the 1%
who simply use their money to buy a better life for themselves while throwing everyone else under the bus
which are you?
xploder
Originally posted by rival
The 1% is not to blame.
The 1% includes wealthy business owners and job providers that make up the strength
of this country and are examples of the American dream...
The blame goes directly on the "point zero one percent"------.01%
These are the elite. This is where the blame lies. This is where conglomerates of corporations
monopolize the economy and the stock market. These are the plotter and planners and TAKERS.
These are the entities who own the wealth of huge corporations who profit billions and pay no
taxes, then add insult to injury by receiving government subsidies and tax breaks, looting
the pockets of the American taxpayer.
It's not the 1%......it is the .01 elite
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Pretty much everything. First they even start of with a Stalinesque characture of "the rich" clutching big money bags, taking all of the money to sit on,
ignoring things like investment capital, ignoring things like we spend more per student than every other country rossieronline.usc.edu... ,
that perhaps a problem with our school system may just be retention of poor teachers, and really blaming everything on "the rich."
No mention of spending more than we take in, no mention that the higher wage earners already pay more in income tax than the rest,
It was a propaganda piece right out of the old Soviet Union.
You have to have a bogey man to blame to convince people to give TPTB more and more power.
According to the political theory of Marxism-Leninism of the early 20th century, the kulaks were class enemies of the poorer peasants.[1] Vladimir Lenin described them as "bloodsuckers, vampires, plunderers of the people and profiteers, who batten on famine.”[2] Marxism-Leninism had intended a revolution to liberate poor peasants and farm laborers alongside the proletariat (urban and industrial workers).
DefinitionsAccording to the Soviet terminology, the peasants were divided into three broad categories: bednyaks, or poor peasants; serednyaks, or mid-income peasants; and kulaks, the higher-income farmers who had larger farms than most Russian peasants
In May 1929, the Sovnarkom issued a decree that formalised the notion of "kulak household" (кулацкое хозяйство). Any of the following defined a kulak:[1][6]
use of hired labor
ownership of a mill, a creamery (маслобойня, butter-making rig), other processing equipment, or a complex machine with a mechanical motor
systematic renting out of agricultural equipment or facilities
involvement in trade, money-lending, commercial brokerage, or "other sources of non-labor income".
By the last item, any peasant who sold his surplus goods on the market could be automatically classified as a kulak. In 1930 this list was extended to include those who were renting industrial plants, e.g., sawmills, or who rented land to other farmers. Grigory Zinoviev, a well-known Soviet politician, said in 1924, "We are fond of describing any peasant who has enough to eat as a 'kulak'." At the same time, the ispolkoms (executive committees of local Soviets) of republics, oblasts, and krais were given rights to add other criteria for defining kulaks, depending on local conditions
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
This attempt to put words in my mouth is patently offensive and typical entitlement class tactics.
Originally posted by Osiris1953
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
This attempt to put words in my mouth is patently offensive and typical entitlement class tactics.
Your oponnent's tactics may have been offensive but then you dropped into the realm of disgustingly offensive with one sentence. Quite the feat.
Condemning a whole group of people based upon interactions with a small number while simultaneously labeling them all in one sentence. Impressive display of ignorance. Had this not been directed towards the poor, but an ethnic group, it would be considered racism.
Have an argument like an informed adult.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
reply to post by Thepump
I love it how you go into personal attacks, but okay. The high wage earners crashed the economy? Not a government insisted that everyone had a home loan, even if they could not pay for it? Not Fanny and Freddie?
Not a government that regulates everything to death?
Not massive entitlement programs used to buy votes that create record levels of debt to pay for? None of that? Just the greed of Steve Jobs, Stephen King, and the orthodontist down the street--the evil 1%? Nothing else?
According to the political theory of Marxism-Leninism of the early 20th century, the kulaks were class enemies of the poorer peasants.[1] Vladimir Lenin described them as "bloodsuckers, vampires, plunderers of the people and profiteers, who batten on famine.”[2] Marxism-Leninism had intended a revolution to liberate poor peasants and farm laborers alongside the proletariat (urban and industrial workers).
DefinitionsAccording to the Soviet terminology, the peasants were divided into three broad categories: bednyaks, or poor peasants; serednyaks, or mid-income peasants; and kulaks, the higher-income farmers who had larger farms than most Russian peasants
In May 1929, the Sovnarkom issued a decree that formalised the notion of "kulak household" (кулацкое хозяйство). Any of the following defined a kulak:[1][6]
use of hired labor
ownership of a mill, a creamery (маслобойня, butter-making rig), other processing equipment, or a complex machine with a mechanical motor
systematic renting out of agricultural equipment or facilities
involvement in trade, money-lending, commercial brokerage, or "other sources of non-labor income".
By the last item, any peasant who sold his surplus goods on the market could be automatically classified as a kulak. In 1930 this list was extended to include those who were renting industrial plants, e.g., sawmills, or who rented land to other farmers. Grigory Zinoviev, a well-known Soviet politician, said in 1924, "We are fond of describing any peasant who has enough to eat as a 'kulak'." At the same time, the ispolkoms (executive committees of local Soviets) of republics, oblasts, and krais were given rights to add other criteria for defining kulaks, depending on local conditions
Originally posted by travisirius
reply to post by NavyDoc
Why is it when people hoard newspapers, toys, clothes, etc it's a sickness but when the rich hoard money it's "shrewd"?
Originally posted by votan
reply to post by openminded2011
Well, In spain the never ever wanted to tax the rich and they are the pits now. I think we should follow that example.
Taxing people different based on income is wrong. Except the rich have been allowed to have such a huge gap from everyone else that it makes sense since the only reason they are that rich is because they took for everyone else.
..but yes continue to protect the rich. like i said it worked great for spain
Billionaire financier George Soros stands to make handsome profits with his newly launched investment fund, established to capitalize on new “green energy” — a policy agenda largely dependent on government subsidies supported by the Obama White House.
Since it would take an entire book to detail all the ways Warren Buffett is involved in America’s economy, both on the private side, but also the government side, one can sum up his direct connection over the past five years by saying; He owned the banks that created and sold worthless assets to the world’s investors. He owned the ratings agency that charged huge fees to lie about the value of those worthless assets. He owned the banks that bet against huge odds on those same worthless assets. He owned the media company that made sure the American people never found out the truth. He owned…invested in, rather, the man who would decide the fate of each of his investments, US Senator Barack Obama. He created the government bailout plan that would save his soon-to-be worthless investments. He profited by the billions on the implementation of his global banking bailout idea. With the US economy collapsed, he advised the President to pump trillions of dollars into the US economy through massive stimulus programs, profiting companies he owned. From destruction to rebuilding, Warren Buffett has helped guide the events like no other man alive, and profited like no other as well.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by Osiris1953
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
This attempt to put words in my mouth is patently offensive and typical entitlement class tactics.
Your oponnent's tactics may have been offensive but then you dropped into the realm of disgustingly offensive with one sentence. Quite the feat.
Condemning a whole group of people based upon interactions with a small number while simultaneously labeling them all in one sentence. Impressive display of ignorance. Had this not been directed towards the poor, but an ethnic group, it would be considered racism.
Have an argument like an informed adult.
And yet, it seems quite acceptable for many to condemn a whole group of people if they happen to make over 250K a year.
As panic spreads that goosing taxes on the rich may have created enough “tax flight” that the California will actually collect less taxes, there was welcome news that a business had committed to opening in the State. Executives of the 99 Cents Only Stores Inc. proclaimed they would be opening a new location in Beverly Hills on formerly posh Rodeo Drive
Originally posted by 11235813213455
Originally posted by votan
reply to post by openminded2011
Well, In spain the never ever wanted to tax the rich and they are the pits now. I think we should follow that example.
Taxing people different based on income is wrong. Except the rich have been allowed to have such a huge gap from everyone else that it makes sense since the only reason they are that rich is because they took for everyone else.
..but yes continue to protect the rich. like i said it worked great for spain
Wasn't it Spain's overspending on a defunct green energy program what really sank it?
Originally posted by votan
Originally posted by 11235813213455
Originally posted by votan
reply to post by openminded2011
Well, In spain the never ever wanted to tax the rich and they are the pits now. I think we should follow that example.
Taxing people different based on income is wrong. Except the rich have been allowed to have such a huge gap from everyone else that it makes sense since the only reason they are that rich is because they took for everyone else.
..but yes continue to protect the rich. like i said it worked great for spain
Wasn't it Spain's overspending on a defunct green energy program what really sank it?
I am sure it didn't help but follow that money too. Hmm who could put green energy into practice who could do that.. hmm well not the bum down the street.. sure as hell not me .. i wonder who... hmm who can put in that kind of infrastructure who has that kind of MONEY.. yes those jobs creators THOSE that need tax breaks so they can put in that defunct green energy program because it sure as hell was not the government who installed that, they were just sold on it. by those people who escape me at the moment
Why did the OWS crowd and Moveon and daily KOS not even mention George Soros,
Did they freak when Soros was continually at Obama's side during the first campaign?
Why? Because he bankrolled all of that theater.