How to win every election for generations to come, redistribute wealth while social engineering.

1. Eliminate the individual income tax. No more individual income taxes for anyone or income taxes withheld, except FICA and Medicare.
What this would do: Jump start an economic boon never seen in this country. Everyone thinks they just got a 25+ % raise. No individual need ever fear the IRS again.

2. Institute a silent national sales tax. Silent in that it must be added to the price of an item on the shelf, not at the register. This way the consumer doesn't realize they are paying it.
What this would do: Generate way more income for the national budget than the income tax. No one gets out of paying taxes. Illegal’s, the rich with fancy tax lawyers, and the 53% of Americans who pay all the taxes will feel the system is fairer. It can also be raised without the average American noticing.

3. Give sales tax rebates at the end of the year. To be fair to the poor have a sales tax rebate people can apply for once a year based on their income, with the poor getting the largest rebate and the rich getting zero rebate. This will appease people who count on their annual refund, and is a way to acceptably redistribute wealth. Do not make filing for a rebate mandatory, there are people who would not want to file for whatever reason leaving more money in the treasury. Have a one month filing period 1 Sept to 30 Sept of each year.

4. The person who passes this will not only save the country, but put themselves in a position to do social engineering. Instead of tax “credits” as social engineering, people can apply for “rebates” for items at the end of each year. The popular tax credits can be turned into "rebates".

5. Change the year end to fiscal year end. October. Therefore, rebates arrive just before the holidays, spurring more spending and therefore, stimulating the economy.


If Obama did this, our economy won't die the slow death it is now going through. It would rebound like a rocket shooting for the moon. He'd be so popular people would clamor for the repeal of Presidential term limits.

Do you understand that in order to raise anywhere close to the revenue required to run the government with only sales tax, there would have to be like a 40% increase in prices across the board....

Wouldn't quite be a "silent" sales tax.

Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
Do you understand that in order to raise anywhere close to the revenue required to run the government, there would have to be like a 40% increase in prices across the board....

Wouldn't quite be a "silent" sales tax.

Government is involved in so much crap that it shouldn't be - start cutting the fat and then you will have enough money.

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I agree the budget should be reduced big time, I was just pointing out some big flaws in the OP plan. OP makes it sound like we can eliminate income tax and use only sales tax for gov. funding without anyone noticing a price raise. Even if the budget were 50% of what it is, in order to pay for it with sales tax prices would have to go up a minimum of 20%.

Then there's the issue of the rebate. How will that work? Will it be based purely on income or will how much tax already paid be consider. If a person makes 20K a year, and only spends 10K, they will essentially be paying a very low tax rate and then qualify for a high rebate based on income.

Unless you have the government keeping track of sales tax paid by each individual during the year, it can't be fair. And noone wants the gov tracking what we buy all year.

So you would take even more value away from the dollar.

I think we are totally missing the problem here. The economy sucks because the dollar is worth nothing, prices have gone up, and our pay has stayed the same. Food prices are insane right now. Government spending and borrowing has caused major inflation.

If you raise the cost of products even more, who is going to buy it? Even If I save %25 more income from taxes its just going to get sucked up into the system that is designed to keep us all broke.

Gas, Electric, Ect. will all go up, food costs will go up, then we will be right back where we started but with an added sales tax on goods that we can now no longer afford to buy. So now we can't afford to entertain ourselves.

yeah...

You know the OP has a definite point

Income tax makes slaves of all of us. Sales tax is far more fair because you are not taxed beyond your means. Certain necessities of life would have to be exempt (like food) and rent/mortgage.

But this way, there is no means of hiding illegal income.

The rich would automatically pay more because they buy more.

Tired of Control Freaks

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No, this plan would be much better for the rich. They currently pay higher rates than everyone on more income. Under this plan, they would pay the same rates as everyone. It would shift the tax burden to the middle class a bit.

The rich don't spend the same percentage of their income as the middle class, they have enough to save.

A guy making 500K right now pays about 35% of his total income in taxes...

If the sales tax were 25%, and he only spends 300 out of his 500K, he is now paying 75K in taxes, which is 15%.

Much better deal.

1. Eliminate the individual income tax. No more individual income taxes for anyone or income taxes withheld, except FICA and Medicare.

While I want the income tax abolished the way SS,medicare are set up there is absolutely no way to pay for them as the way it has been set up.

A person use to pay 6% until that was cut to 4% then employers match it, people get more out of that than they ever pay in,

The only way to offset that cost is "tax the rich" redistribute the wealth which stilfles the productive in this country to pay for the least productive.

I say cut the size of government by 50 percent across the board.

That ought to make a dent.

There has to be redistribution of wealth at some point. If somebody manages to make big profits he takes money out of the system, by paying low salaries for example. That money is partly spent and reinvested but mostly parked on a bank acount to make babies. When enough money is taken out of the flow, new money has to come from somewhere. So its either through fiering up the ole printing press again or by other means.

The rebates would be based only on ones income plus assets. The same things one must declare on a W2, what you got paid, how much you have in savings and investments. Because the point is it is not really a "rebate" at all, just like the earned income credit is not really earned. It is strictly a way to guesstimate the amount of sales tax paid based on ones income and assets. The rich get nothing, the poorest among us get the largest "rebate".

As for prices going up, duh, but incomes for even the working poor will also go up with no income tax withholding.

You won't need a 40 cent sales tax, that's ridiculous. Most countries who do this have a 10-15 cent sales tax. If we needed a 40 cent sales tax then everyone in the country who pays taxes would be paying at the 60% rate to make up for those who don't pay taxes and our current rates are in the 20's for most people.

I agree with cutting the size of government a great deal, we should start with the perks for our elected representatives, forbidding pork add on's to bills. Forbidding the passage of any bill over 3000 words so pork can't be hidden in a bill. Cutting the military when we are at war however is inhuman to the soldiers who are now asking for people to send them blankets to get through the winters in Afghanistan.

Wouldn't it be just easier to $ponsor the two main organizations who are in charge of selecting which candidates will run for office or which pool of candidates you can pick from?


Then they use taxes and removable of our freedoms to ensure enslavement into their system. Both sides want bigger gov't and that is what he are getting regardless of which side is in office. The reason why is because the lobbyist want more control of the consumers and the market.

Think about it, Our leading corporations and lobbyist all love the Chinese business model. Slave labor, no worker rights,no benefits, child labor,no competition, disposable. Those are all things a greedy desperate CEO loves to have at his disposable when he needs to increase profit at any cost over last years profits in order to get that 50 Million dollar bonus. So we are heading in the right direction for where they want to take us.

So the bottom line is that no solution will be implemented or really looked into because the system is not broken for them.

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I agree that nothing will be done because TPTB think the current system is good, they just need to get more out of it.

I think we will jump off the fiscal cliff because the powers that be (TPTB) are too lazy and afraid to try something different. Also no one wants responsibility for any "fix" proposed in case it goes wrong. That is why there has been no budget proposal for years coming from top leaders. No one wants to take responsibility, they all want to be able to blame someone else, so they do nothing. That is exactly what I think will happen, especially since the President is going on vacation for 20 days during the negotiations, so he can say "it wasn't me".

Originally posted by 11235813213455
I say cut the size of government by 50 percent across the board.

That ought to make a dent.

BUT..........who is going to do it?

Originally posted by Gridrebel

Originally posted by 11235813213455
I say cut the size of government by 50 percent across the board.

That ought to make a dent.

BUT..........who is going to do it?

Exactly, you are asking gov't to cut itself.

That is why Republicans who are suppose to be for smaller gov't has done the exact opposite and increased gov't involvement while taking away your freedoms.

The gov't is not above self preservation nor is the Republican party. The bottom line the bigger gov't the more control the gov't has , so what organization doesn't want that? So its no mystery why we keep getting bigger gov't from both Democrats and Republicans.

The problem with Republicans is that they have allowed the Republican party to become more important than the Republican ideals. That is why a guy who implemented a gov't mandated health-care system that they oppose so much became the best that the republican could provide.

The problem with Democrats is that they think that the gov't does things for the betterment of the people versus the reality of trying to enslave them. Its like a crack dealer giving free samples to his clients because he nows in the long run , the addict is going to become dependent on his product and eventually lose control.

The problem with both Democrats and Republicans is that they both naively believe a politician or a lobbyist cares more about ideals versus monetary influences and gains.