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Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by turbonium1
And how is landing on an asteroid so different from landing on the moon? Or Mars? Please, explain how radically different that is. You are putting a capsule down on a hard planetary surface on all three. Tell me how come you couldn't have one capsule to do all three? Oh wait, I forgot we don't have planes that can perform more than one mission at a time (which is BS considering the multimission aircraft we have), so that means nothing else can do more than one thing.
The recent Mythbusters show claimed that the only way retro-reflectors could have got there is by astronauts. This was said while on a visit of the APOLLO laser ranging facility which uses the Lunokhod 2 mirror.
Some propagandists claimed that if there was no reflector on the lunar surface, we’d never get the laser signal back because the moon would not reflect it. This false claim even found its way onto Mythbusters. When it was pointed out that the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)16 and the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory17 were able to bounce lasers off the moon and back to earth without the aid of any retro-reflector.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Panic2k11
You don't need a reflector, but you can tell the difference between a reflector and the moon's surface. The reflector is much more accurate, and gives much better readings. They know exactly where on the moon they're hitting and getting the pulse back from, so they can get much more accurate readings.
Originally posted by HauntWok
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
The point is, there is man made equipment on the moon, therefore we have been to the moon. The moon landings were not a hoax.
Photons came back to our receptor.
And the only way that that could happen is
if there was a piece of man-made equipment
up on the moon
to reflect them back."
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by HauntWok
Busting the Mythbusters with their own quotes.
EXACT QUOTES FROM MYTHBUSTERS segment on Apollo retroflectors:
The guy in the hat says:
"So, what you're saying is
we get a really big laser
and point it at the reflector on the moon
and if we get a signal back
that means we were, in fact, there."
The guy in the glasses says:
"So, if there was a retroreflector on the moon
and we knew it's exact location
and we had a powerful enough laser
we could detect the reflection
and PROVE there is man-made equipment on the moon."
Glasses guy says:
"Well, it seems there are some people who do not believe
that man has actually been to the moon."
Guest scientist Russett Mcmillan says:
"I've met some of them."
Hat guy explains that they will be using a 1 Gigawatt laser because
"..that's what you got to have to make it to the moon and back."
Glasses guy says:
"In fact the specific one [the LRRR] that we are shining on
was left there by the Apollo 15 crew.
Now, we're firing on the order of 200 quadrillion photons per laser pulse
at that reflector
and we're getting between 1 and 3 photons back per pulse if we're lucky.
When we get that photon back we'll see a spike like that on the screen."
Narrator says:
"Not just thrilling but conclusive."
Glasses guys says:
"We shined that laser on the moon on the second test and we got a clear spike back.
Photons came back to our receptor.
And the only way that that could happen is
if there was a piece of man-made equipment
up on the moon
to reflect them back."
Hat guy says:
"So get over it. There's no conspiracy here."
Glasses guy says:
"We've been there. We've done that."
- - - - - - my comments about the Mythbuster segement - - - - - - -
The only thing Mythbusters pretended to prove here is the Apollo 15 landing site, so that is it.
Notice that they did not ever say the name of the Apollo 15 crewman who placed the retroreflector.
Nor did they examine the possibility that the LRRR was placed by a robotic landing craft.
They only pinged 1 laser reflector when there are several other units alleged to be there
and they did not even mention the Russian reflector which was placed robotically.
I wonder why they avoided mentioning the Russian reflector?
- - - - - - -
tl;dr
Mythbusters did not prove that an Apollo 15 astronaut placed the LRRR. The only thing Mythbusters proved was that there was "a piece of man-made equipment" at that location.edit on 7/20/2013 by SayonaraJupiter because: tl;dr
Originally posted by Panic2k11
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
I have read somewhere that a reflector isn't even necessary that the regolith has sufficient refraction that it can reflect a lazer back. Quick search returns my favorite human moon landing detractor, Jarrah.
MOONFAKER FAQ
The recent Mythbusters show claimed that the only way retro-reflectors could have got there is by astronauts. This was said while on a visit of the APOLLO laser ranging facility which uses the Lunokhod 2 mirror.
Some propagandists claimed that if there was no reflector on the lunar surface, we’d never get the laser signal back because the moon would not reflect it. This false claim even found its way onto Mythbusters. When it was pointed out that the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)16 and the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory17 were able to bounce lasers off the moon and back to earth without the aid of any retro-reflector.edit on 20-7-2013 by Panic2k11 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by dragonridr
The Mythbusters segment doesn't prove what you think it does. Are you trying to fit every Apollo mission into that Mythbusters segment? That's a common problem with Apollo Defenders... making wild claims about science.
Originally posted by dragonridr
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by dragonridr
The Mythbusters segment doesn't prove what you think it does. Are you trying to fit every Apollo mission into that Mythbusters segment? That's a common problem with Apollo Defenders... making wild claims about science.
Ah once again you ignore the relevant to rationalize your fantasies. Lets try ths again how do you explain this?
www.nasa.gov...
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Originally posted by dragonridr
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by dragonridr
The Mythbusters segment doesn't prove what you think it does. Are you trying to fit every Apollo mission into that Mythbusters segment? That's a common problem with Apollo Defenders... making wild claims about science.
Ah once again you ignore the relevant to rationalize your fantasies. Lets try ths again how do you explain this?
www.nasa.gov...
So the Mythbusters segment was about Apollo 15 and you gave a link to Apollo 11. That means you are trying to fit other Apollo missions into the Mythbusters segment, aren't you?
How many more Apollo missions will you try to fit into that Mythbusters segment?????
Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by dragonridr
The Mythbusters segment doesn't prove what you think it does. Are you trying to fit every Apollo mission into that Mythbusters segment? That's a common problem with Apollo Defenders... making wild claims about science.