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Originally posted by captainpudding
reply to post by turbonium1
Please feel free to show where in NASA's very small budget, is there room to waste millions of dollars for pictures that serve no real purpose other than to be called photoshopped by uneducated conspiracy theorists?
Originally posted by turbonium1
NASA is studying the VA Belts, more than 40 years after astronauts supposedly go through them, over and over again, no problem! But that's not a waste of money, right?
You think it's a waste of money to see Apollo landing sites in close-up...
Scientists don't care about detailed close-up images, but they do care about images from 50 km away!
Such setails are useless to scientists, right?
Not.
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
Originally posted by turbonium1
Originally posted by ppk55
So we've all agreed it's possible to identify car sized objects from a satellite. So why can't we see larger than car sized objects on the moon? No atmosphere, lower orbit ... as I wrote, it just doesn't make sense.edit on 10-4-2013 by ppk55 because: more info
That's why they use lame excuses - because it makes no sense.
This would be true if it were true.
Actually, they CAN see car-sized Apollo-hardware on the Moon using the LRO orbiter. In fact, they can see things smaller than car-sized (such as the backpacks worn by the astronauts) and have pictures of them.
As for using spy satellite technology for moon pictures? I'm not sure why they would need to spend money on expensive spy satellite technology (some of it is probably too classified for NASA engineers to know about, anyway) when all the LRO is supposed to do is map out future possible landing sites.
They don't need spy satellite technology for that. LRO's 30 to 50 cm resolution is good enough for that purpose.
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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
It really isn't a waste of money considering that someday people will need to travel through the Van Allen Belts again -- maybe relatively soon. The Apollo astronauts' exposure to danger from the Van Allen belts were only minimized by the short time they spent in them, but they were STILL exposed to some danger. It would be good to know more about the belts to minimize that danger even more for future manned spaceflight beyond Earth.
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Originally posted by captainpudding
reply to post by turbonium1
I think making sure GPS and telecommunications satellites won't fail due to radiation exposure is several orders of magnitude more important than pictures of things that we already know exactly what they look like, yes. If I want to see close up pictures of the apollo landing sites I'll look at the thousands of pictures taken by the Apollo astronauts.
Originally posted by turbonium1
NASA wants a (so-called return) to the moon, with a plan (eventually) to stay for a year or more .
What are the (possible) effects of living within this environment, for a few weeks, or months, or a year? What about over a few decades? NASA might need to know that, before the missions go ahead.
We (supposedly) have six different sites within the lunar environment, for 40+ years. Totally untouched except by environment, it's a (near) perfect site for studying ...times six!
The (supposed) landing sites represent one of our greatest achievements, perhaps THE greatest, and nobody has a clue what the (alleged) sites really look like - not today, nor in the past 40+years
Radiation effects would be better understood, too.
Originally posted by turbonium1
Apollo didn't go anywhere near to the VA Belts, let alone fly through them. Their thin aluminum shell would become a coffin within these Belts.
Originally posted by turbonium1
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
It really isn't a waste of money considering that someday people will need to travel through the Van Allen Belts again -- maybe relatively soon. The Apollo astronauts' exposure to danger from the Van Allen belts were only minimized by the short time they spent in them, but they were STILL exposed to some danger. It would be good to know more about the belts to minimize that danger even more for future manned spaceflight beyond Earth.
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We don't regress in knowledge or technology, we progress in those arenas going forward!.
Apollo didn't go anywhere near to the VA Belts, let alone fly through them. Their thin aluminum shell would become a coffin within these Belts.
The problem still exists today, and that's why NASA has two probes in the Belts,now, and through to 2016, or so.
And the problem may still exist by 2016, - that is merely the end date set for this project.
Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
When the LRO was designed and launched, there were greater plans for humans to return to the Moon. That's why they needed to do one of the first steps, which was to map the Moon in great detail -- and that's what the LRO did.
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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Each Apollo mission documented the landing sites pretty well while they were there -- pictures, maps, and geological characteristics, which are readily available to the public.
Since that time, spacecraft such as the LRO have taken pictures of those areas (along with the rest of the Moon) from orbit. The LRO images can make out small pieces of Apollo hardware and even the walking paths formed by the astronauts -- as well as hi-res pictures of the moonscape around those landing sites.
So I'm not sure what you mean by "and nobody has a clue what the (alleged) sites really look like".
We have very good pictures and maps of those sites, both from the ground and from orbit.
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Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
As for radiation in those parts of the belts, it was mainly high-energy protons and electrons, which could more easily be stopped with the Command Module's skin (thin aluminum and fibrous insulation), and well as what was being worn by the astronauts.
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Originally posted by captainpudding
Originally posted by turbonium1
Apollo didn't go anywhere near to the VA Belts, let alone fly through them. Their thin aluminum shell would become a coffin within these Belts.
According to the telemetry and radiometric data all Apollo missions flew through the VA belts and received low, yet safe doses of radiation. Would you be able to site any data to back up these two lies or are we just going to put them in the same pile as your "dutch moon rock" evidence?
Dark Side of the Moon is a French mockumentary by director William Karel which originally aired on Arte in 2002 with the title Opération Lune. The basic premise for the film is the theory that the television footage from the Apollo 11 Moon landing was faked and actually recorded in a studio by the CIA with help from director Stanley Kubrick. It features some surprising guest appearances, most notably by Donald Rumsfeld, Dr. Henry Kissinger, Alexander Haig, Vernon Walters, Buzz Aldrin and Stanley Kubrick's widow, Christiane Kubrick.