Russell Brand Interviews Westboro Church Members

reply to post by blupblup

Seems to be Kansas only, no UK dates.... shame

That really is a shame. Kansas doesn't want them, either. They're nutjobs and should be incarcerated, in my Kansas opnion. If they ever do tour the UK, I implore customs to reject them when they try to come back. Sorry, my UK friends, but I'd rather have them across the pond than in my backyard.

They are ignorant, rude idiots, zealots, and boors. I'm sorry, and embarrassed. Russell did GREAT! Yay for brains and humor.

The best way to deal with someone who can press your buttons, is to ignore them.

But in case you are similar to myself, and dont ignore it, than please try to avoid letting your emotions take over. Those emotions are irrational and absurd and only threaten free speech.

Look at how fast nations and cities spit on freedom as a result of emotion driven mob mentality. People even get violent.

What is civil society? A place where someone gets beat up for their opinion ?

Or a place where grown adults are capable of self control and choose to ignore that which annoys them?

reply to post by godlover25


You missed out, the best part was the last three minutes.
Those Westboro church guys got so mad when Russell brought out his gay buddies.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by blupblup

 

Seems to be Kansas only, no UK dates.... shame

That really is a shame. Kansas doesn't want them, either. They're nutjobs and should be incarcerated, in my Kansas opnion. If they ever do tour the UK, I implore customs to reject them when they try to come back. Sorry, my UK friends, but I'd rather have them across the pond than in my backyard.

They are ignorant, rude idiots, zealots, and boors. I'm sorry, and embarrassed. Russell did GREAT! Yay for brains and humor.

I could care less who you hate, and its ironic you hold as much hate in yourself as do those you despise.
Perhaps you should step back for a minute and ask yourself , did you just get trolled into filling your heart with anger hate and prejudice?

What about the Foundation of our society, free speech?

Which is worse, some idiots being annoying?
Or a world where someone is oppressed, arrested, and harmed physically simply because they have unpopular opinions?

I am more ashamed by those who allow emotions to dictate anti free speech sentiments, than I am ashamed of some ludicrous religious fanatics who act peacefully , albeit loudly.

reply to post by godlover25


If loving people isn't about warning them they'll go to hell then how can your god love everyone equally? Doesn't he warn people they'll go to hell if they don't believe in him? By your own definition god doesn't love anyone.

How come these people can twist scripture in a certain way but no one in the past 2,000 years could have? Why can these people distort the truth yet when someone brings up the Romans or Paul it's impossible?

You might want to google "cognitive dissonance".

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Spiritual discernment

reply to post by godlover25


Too bad you lack logical discernment. Did you look that word up yet?

reply to post by DarkKnight21

I was pleasantly surprised by Russel Brand though. He acted like a true instrument of grace here.

Me too! He won me over.

reply to post by muzzleflash

I could care less who you hate, and its ironic you hold as much hate in yourself as do those you despise.

First, I take it you mean you "couldn't" care less....
Second, I didn't say I "hated" anyone....and I don't hate them. What hate do I have in myself? What the hell do you know about me?? (Answer: only what you have read here, which ain't much.)

I think they are stupid, and backward, and wrong, and would prefer that they shut up.

You are defending them?

Freedom of speech? Where do you draw the line between "freedom of speech" and "hate crimes" or Nazis? I'm sorry, muzzle, I've never had any truck with your posts, but for ANYONE to defend these bigots and hate-mongers (THEY are the haters, dude!) is ludicrous.

religious fanatics who act peacefully

You think they act "peacefully? Really? Are you aware of their demonstrations at funerals? Of their drive-by condemnation stations? They may not be throwing stones or shooting people, but they are a far cry from peaceful.

I'd tell you to do an image-google the place: Westboro Baptist Church, and see what the pictures say, but since I doubt you will, I'll post the link to my results page for anyone else who might.
www.google.com...< br /> If it doesn't come up at the images page, just scroll down to "images for Westboro Baptist Church". You want these loons at large? Okay. Well, that's on you.

While I enjoyed the clip, I do get a bit tired of how this cult is only questioned on homosexuality, when that issue is nowadays just a fraction of their repertoire.

They have long moved way beyond this issue, and it indeed seems to be the TV industry that somehow considers this issue "safe" and fit to broadcast.

Wouldn't it be topical to ask them about their opinions on Muslims and Jews, or divorced and remarried "Christian adulterers" for once?

The one Westboro dude (who seems to expand physically with every appearance, which shows that standing with posters might get you smugly into the fresh air, but it does nothing for the metabolism) was wearing a shirt that says priests rape boys, and that was totally ignored.
There's a truth to that shirt, but the testimony of Nate Phelps also said that Westboro cult-leader Fred Phelps beat and seriously abused his kids, so it also points a damning finger right back.
(See: Leaving Hate Behind - The Nate Phelps Story: www.youtube.com...)

(To see their Antisemitic and Islamophobic views, and general judgement of rival Christian preachers and groups, see the second Louis Theroux video - America's Most Hated Family in Crisis:
www.youtube.com...)

This hammering on the point of homosexuality may actually reinforce and repeat notions that being gay is indeed a sin, and that some forms of gay sex are the only sin in the Bible.

The TULIP approach of Calvinism firstly teaches the Total Depravity of humans since Adam and Eve, and by their view salvation is predestined, and hence it is not assured in all believers.

They shun some of their children, but the one leading daughter in the cult had illegitimate offspring, which according to Biblical legalism is a "bastard" who technically should not be a part of the congregation.
So they also have double standards.

They live in a metaphorical glass house and throw rocks at everybody else - why not address this?

Anyway, it just seems odd to constantly dish out their homophobic views as entertainment, but I suppose their views on Jews and Muslims, and rival Christian sects might cause riots and lawsuits.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by blupblup

 

Seems to be Kansas only, no UK dates.... shame

That really is a shame. Kansas doesn't want them, either. They're nutjobs and should be incarcerated, in my Kansas opnion. If they ever do tour the UK, I implore customs to reject them when they try to come back. Sorry, my UK friends, but I'd rather have them across the pond than in my backyard.

They are ignorant, rude idiots, zealots, and boors. I'm sorry, and embarrassed. Russell did GREAT! Yay for brains and humor.

Well my post was entirely sarcastic, and yes, thankfully they're banned anyway.... they wouldn't be allowed in the UK

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Oh?

Enlighten me, oh masterful enlightened one,

reply to post by godlover25


You're not a very good listener though. You hear what you want to and ignore everything else so I think I'll save my time.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

If loving people isn't about warning them they'll go to hell then how can your god love everyone equally? Doesn't he warn people they'll go to hell if they don't believe in him? By your own definition god doesn't love anyone.

As much as it may seem strange for me to be defending godlover25, in this case I should. While biblical literalism has certain unavoidable difficulties, there is a very big difference between warning people to repent and gloating over people you "know" are "going to hell for eternity".

The WBC believes in double predestination, as in only the predetermined even can repent, all others are doomed. If you watch the video that halfoldman linked to Leaving Hate Behind, Nate Phelps spells it out quite clearly in the first 8 minutes or so, "He has no intention of converting any one", because he doesn't believe they can be converted.


Even though godlover25 seems to be a total biblical literalist, he does seem to believe that "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all." Romans 11:32.

The difference between calling to repent and gloating over the "doomed" is vast.

reply to post by blupblup

Well my post was entirely sarcastic, and yes, thankfully they're banned anyway.... they wouldn't be allowed in the UK

I knew it was sarcastic; so was mine!!!!
Although, I didn't know they were banned there. Dammit. One fewer possible exile locations.

In all seriousness, do you think they are genuine? Or have they just turned into celebrity big-mouths?

Then again, there are the heinous demonstrations and hatred. Not very classy.

Originally posted by wildtimes
I knew it was sarcastic; so was mine!!!!
Although, I didn't know they were banned there. Dammit. One fewer possible exile locations.

In all seriousness, do you think they are genuine? Or have they just turned into celebrity big-mouths?

Then again, there are the heinous demonstrations and hatred. Not very classy.

See sarcasm doesn't always translate does it?

I don't know if they're genuine or not actually, or if they just revel in the limelight of being scum?

Louis Theroux did a couple of documentaries on them called "the most hated family in America"

I think this is the first one

www.dailymotion.com...

And yes, they picket funerals and insult all minorities and groups, not classy at all

:shk:

reply to post by windword

This video contains content from FOX,
who has blocked it on copyright
grounds.
Sorry about that

Is this in a FOX venue somewhere? Is there a current source from which to watch it? Even the video on Russell Brand's webpage has the same notice. Does Brand own this or does FOX own it?

I found a description of the segment at least, Christian Post

reply to post by pthena


Sorry you can't watch the YouTube embed. Try this link, from the Huffington Post:www.huffingtonpost.com...

Hope that works!

reply to post by pthena


pthena,
thanks for this Nate Phelps video. I watched his entire address, and cut off when the Q/A started....

Interesting; he speaks of horrible abuse and manipulation that should nowadays cause a parent to lose custody altogether. .. and in my opinion, what his father did to him and all of his dozen siblings is reason to prosecute him now, every bit as much as the pedophilia going on in the Priesthood.

Why is this allowed, this insane behavior of Father Phelps? (Oh, I see he died a couple of months ago, his body found "rotting in a chair in his upstairs office.")

Makes you wonder how much distance his family put between themselves and him, for him to die and "rot" awhile -- 6 months! -- before they found him.

Judging by the smell and decomposition of the body, officials from the coroner’s office say that Pastor Phelps’ probably died at least six months ago. There wasn’t any sign of foul play, but they did report that the television was still playing, and appeared to be “scrambled up 80s pornography.”
“I think I saw boob in there,” said Davis Shields, one of the coroner officials on the scene. “But with this stuff, there’s really no way to be sure.”
Some members of the Westboro Baptist Church were hoping to cover up their oversight.
“We’ve just been so busy with all these funerals against all the fag-enablers,” said Jakob Phelps. “But since granddad died and this is a huge embarrassment, I was thinking that maybe we could sort of, prop him up and put some makeup on him to still make him look alive, like Weekend at Bernie’s.”
“Oh really? You want to put makeup on him? You must be a fag sent from hell,” said Phelps-Roper. “Get the hell out of here! God will punish you!”


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I don't know a thing about this website, I was just looking to see if he was still "active." Guess not.
The way they described it reminds me of the old man in Slingblade

reply to post by wildtimes

There's a hoax that pops up every 4 months or so that Fred Phelps has died. I think this is another one.

I found one claim dated February, another in June, and another in Sept.

thanks for this Nate Phelps video.

That was originally linked to by halfoldman, I just embedded it. You really should listen to the Q&A section too. Very good questions asked.