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Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by Logarock
In fact Josephus (100 a.d) called it Palastine in greek. and even the greek word is born out of the very old name of the area...Pe-le-sheth (hebrew b.c.) meaning a land of strangers and wonderers....said to be from the word pa-lash or pa-lesh meaning to roll i.e. in dust to morn.
Translated in english as Palestina, Philistia, Palestine.
It is used in biblical and other literature to mean all of historic Israel and.....important here.... in certain context all the nations of that area to include Israel, Juda, and their relations Amon, Edom and Moab. The people know today as "Palestinians" today are certainly of the last three nations which are of very old related to the Israelities.
There is no doubt that Sephardic Jews lived in Palestine historically, although I don't know that I'd take Josephus' word for anything after the business in the cave. My historical knowledge is shaky here, but as far as I know the Jews of Palestine never named Judea or any other part of Palestine "Israel", they were merely inhabitants there, wanderers, like many other tribes of people.
So the big question is, if Jews had such an interest in making their cherished homeland theirs alone why, long before the first and second world wars, were they so firmly enscounced all over Europe instead of keeping the home fires burning in Judea?
The obvious answer to that question is that European Jews were only Jewish by dint of their conversion to that religion in the 700s AD, not through any blood ties to the Jews of Palestine or physical connection to that land. Can anyone claim that the rank and file European Jews had ever even set foot in Palestine much less lived there for generations? These are the Ashkanazi Jews, with the Jewish religion but a completely different ancestry.
Its as if a thousand years from now African Americans declared the state of Virginia as their homeland and claimed the whole country as their own ~ and for many it actually is their homeland, but not as an independent country separate from the other inhabitants.
But hey, when you think of it, that's exactly what Europeans did with the land of the Indian tribes of Turtle Island, claimed it and renamed it and locked up the original owners so who knows, it could happen.
Shakys the word.....got that right.
The Jewish population in Palestine as of 1914 was under 8% of the total population, which was much smaller than the Palestinian Christian Arab population.
Soon after the first Zionist Congress in Basel (Switzerland) in 1897, a Zionist delegation was sent to Palestine for a fact finding mission, and to explore the viability of settling Palestine with persecuted European Jews. The delegation replied back from Palestine with a cable that stated:
"The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man." (Iron Wall, p. 3)
"By 1860 Jerusalem already had a Jewish majority, while throughout Palestine, the population was 24,000 Jews and 440,000 Arabs.
The land of Palestine” was inhabited by a warrior tribe for most of the population while there were also Hebrews living there. But in the Old Testament, the land is not called Palestine but Canaan.
Following the Battle of Yarmouk in 636 CE, the Islamic Empire was established in Palestine as Muslims conquered Syria and there started a Muslim rule which spread over 1300 years. It is known that the Muslim empire was a “golden age” for Jews as they were treated much better than by the Christians.
However, with the Zionist movement of 20th century, a large number of Jews immigrated to Palestine from many parts of the Europe which increased the Jewish population drastically, leading to conflicts between Arabs and Jews.
Before WW II, more than 3.3 million Jews lived in Poland, the second largest Jewish community in the world.
The Jewish presence in Poland goes back a very long time. Even before the Union with Lithuania in 1386, there was promulgated a Statue of Jewish Liberties at Kalisz in 1264.
Jewish settlement in Eastern Europe began in the first century, when Jews from Asia Minor began to settle in the urban centers of the northern Black Sea coast.
Jewish migrations to the Khazar Khanate also continued from the seventh to the first half of the tenth century, with most of the people coming from Byzantium. Jewish proselytism was very widespread in the Khazar Khanate, not only among the urban population and the Khazar elite, but also, according to some scholars, among rural dwellers and even seminomadic groups.
Originally posted by Sissel
Here is the difference, and I feel qualified to talk about this since I live in the desert southwest, and have friends that are Native American:
Native Americans have diplomatic immunity while they live on reservations. Do Palestinians?
Native Americans do not have to file income taxes. Do Palestinians file taxes?
Native Americans get free health care. Do Palestinians?
Native Americans are helped with housing. Are Palestinians getting this?
Native Americans get free education. Do Palestinians................
The list could go on, and on........
No comparison at all, whatsoever!
Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by Malcher
For the love of god, get your head out of your ass!
"The Left" did no such thing of the sort. I'm so sick and tired of these idiotic #ing generalizations on ATS!
Originally posted by openyourmind1262
reply to post by julia53
They have earned the damn right to live free. To live without being occupied, to live with some roads & schools. To have food on their tables, If an outside force did this to you in your own neighborhood, you would be outraged. You would fight it off tooth & nail.
The People of Palestine have earned the damn right to live by the sheer numbers that's been erradicated by the Nation of Israel. They have a right to live.. the same right the jews have. When can we all stop calling these people terrorist's? Their terror is an everyday occurance, it comes from living in an occupied state..Surrounded by a people that simply want you all dead and gone. Now that's terror.
If America could have wiped out all the native Americans... They would have without hesitation. The reservations were a means to an end. Worked quite well did it not. And for those in this thread who have said God gave them the land. That's what the Book of Fairey Tales tells us. I say, show us a deed from God himself that proves it's the jews. Because the bible was written by man....and we all know what lieing bastards man can be.
This is a series of maps charting the shrinkage of Native American lands over time, from 1784 to the present day. Made because I was having trouble visualizing the sheer scale of the land loss, and reading numbers like “blah blah million acres” wasn’t really doing it for me. The gif is based on a collection of maps by Sam B. Hilliard of Louisiana State University. You can see the original map here.
For those who do prefer dealing in numbers, here are some:
By 1881, Indian landholdings in the United States had plummeted to 156 million acres. By 1934, only about 50 million acres remained (an area the size of Idaho and Washington) as a result of the General Allotment Act* of 1887. During World War II, the government took 500,000 more acres for military use. Over one hundred tribes, bands, and Rancherias relinquished their lands under various acts of Congress during the termination era of the 1950s.
By 1955, the indigenous land base had shrunk to just 2.3 percent of its original size.