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Yes, I'm aware that the book of Enoch says that the reason for the flood was to get rid of the Nephilim, which did not work. The bible isn't too clear on the Nephilim thing. I posted a verse from the bible that gave a reason for the flood, the heart of man was evil continuously. God said he wouldn't destroy all of mankind again because he realizes the hearts of man are evil from their youth. So it's kind of strange that the bible says he won't do it again for the same reason he did it to begin with.
Originally posted by BlackManINC
It is my understanding from your original post that you didn't even understand the main reason why God flooded the earth in the first place. You continually repeat yourself with this idea that God is all-knowing as if that means anything in itself. God gave us the free will to follow his commandments from the very beginning in the Garden of Eden. We weren't created as a bunch of automatons, like some robot, or lowly animals that can't think beyond there basic instincts, we were created in the image of God, with a mind of our own, and were given specific rules to follow from the get go. In reality, we failed him, and him being "all-knowing" is irrelevant to this basic fact when it comes down to it.edit on 20-11-2012 by BlackManINC because: (no reason given)edit on 20-11-2012 by BlackManINC because: (no reason given)
I can see your point.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Of course its for a different reason.
But who decides what reason is somehow better?
Is it ok to use animals for fur and animal testing? Admit it, its not like the secular world treats animals any better. So there is really no ground to have an issue with religious people "using" animals for their purposes.
If he was truly sorry, why did he need an animal to die to show it? God couldn't see his heart?
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
A man had to be truly sorry from his heart in order to make a sacrifice, it wasn't like paying a fine.
Animal sacrifice was symbolic of his repentance.
The proof that there is a god.
Originally posted by LightAssassin
Hydroman,
Please tell me what your issue is with the God concept? I want to help.edit on 20-11-2012 by LightAssassin because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by Hydroman
Man wasn't the issue.
Man was PHYSICALLY corrupted by The actions of the Supreme ones, these were the beings under the authority of God (which the restored hebrew meaning is 'Ruler of All', an entirely different entity to the Supreme ones).
There was no need to forgive Humans. They had done no wrong. Ruler of All knew this but Ruler of All also had to wipe the Earth clean of all the monsters spawned by The Supreme Ones offspring. So the Supreme Ones, being the creators, took the best genetic specimens of Man and told them to collect every uncorrupted animal they could and bring it onto the Ark.
Then the Supreme Ones dropped the Water canopy that surrounded the planet at that time, this canopy also being the reason Humans at that time lived for so long, and that canopy flooded the entire Earth temporarily. This killed almost everything of the monsters. Some of the Supreme ones offspring survived.
The sacrifice wasn't a sacrifice but merely a feast which the Supreme Ones (and not the Ruler of All) visited.
edit on 20-11-2012 by LightAssassin because: (no reason given)
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Since all living things have DNA, does this apply to all of them? Trees, insects, fish, etc.?
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Sure. Each paragraph above summarized.
The Spirit of God occupies you and is the reason you have mind. His mind is with you as you develop yours. All of this is information, or what the Bible calls Word. In the realm of computers, we call it programming, yet God's programming is consciousness and the ability to be aware of self.
Spirit gives you everything and you only do two things. You think and move. Your eyes see and your hair grows. The Earth turns and the Sun shines. You do none of it. You do two things. You think and move. DNA is the reflection of the same Word (Information) that allows the process. You use what is provided and change things around you by choices and thought.
If we seek the Spirit in Love, the two become one. In other words, we join with the Spirit and something new is created. We have examples of this all around us. Husband and wife fall in love and become one. Sperm and egg become one to create the child. The child develops in a womb, just like we develop on Earth and has the chance to bond with the Spirit in Love. If there is no Love, there is no union and nothing new is created. The change ends at this lost opportunity. We are promised an upgrade to our body and mind when we are born again in the Spirit.
It's always a choice and that choice is by Faith. Faith makes things possible. Choices are made on faith that what is determined will happen. This is called Hope. The Hope offered by the Spirit is that overcoming the hardships of this life produce reward in the next. Suffering is the point of life and faith allows us to suffer the correct direction. If you take something, you suffer the debt that comes as a result. If you produce something by suffering for that thing you earn, then reward follows. Smoke and you get cancer. Work out in a gym and you gain health. Taking reward (like smoking) always leads to suffering. Giving forward by suffering work always produces reward. Work a job and get a paycheck.
Along the way, we find God and the Spirit guiding us if love is in our hearts. If not, we are on our own and we end our soul's existence from lack of effort for the supreme good that life offers us all.
Hope that helps. My kids understand it fine.
It took Noah and his sons 100 years to build the Ark, if I remember correctly. That's plenty of time to pack up and move to another location outside the flood zone, instead of building a boat.
Originally posted by LightAssassin
Maybe it wasn't a worldwide flood but something more localised.
Where are the Supreme Ones now?
Originally posted by LightAssassin
And the Ruler of All and the Supreme Ones are NOT all knowing. That idea is a fallacy. These are just super-advanced beings possibly existing in a realm that isn't even like our physical realm so for them to experience 'physicality' may be something more akin to a three year olds first visit to a toy store. Like a child not comprehending that these toys need to be bought before being played with, the 'Supreme Ones' were not fully comprehending the problems created by their involvement with Humans, and the Ruler of All didn't stop them because he entrusted them with the terraforming of Planet Earth...
I can understand that from a human perspective. Are you attracted to chimpanzees? If not, why do you think this other species would be attracted to humans?
Originally posted by LightAssassin
and he didn't expect them to react the way they did to the beauty of Human women (who can blame them, the female figure is amazingly beautiful)
Originally posted by Hydroman
Since all living things have DNA, does this apply to all of them? Trees, insects, fish, etc.?
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Sure. Each paragraph above summarized.
The Spirit of God occupies you and is the reason you have mind. His mind is with you as you develop yours. All of this is information, or what the Bible calls Word. In the realm of computers, we call it programming, yet God's programming is consciousness and the ability to be aware of self.
Spirit gives you everything and you only do two things. You think and move. Your eyes see and your hair grows. The Earth turns and the Sun shines. You do none of it. You do two things. You think and move. DNA is the reflection of the same Word (Information) that allows the process. You use what is provided and change things around you by choices and thought.
If we seek the Spirit in Love, the two become one. In other words, we join with the Spirit and something new is created. We have examples of this all around us. Husband and wife fall in love and become one. Sperm and egg become one to create the child. The child develops in a womb, just like we develop on Earth and has the chance to bond with the Spirit in Love. If there is no Love, there is no union and nothing new is created. The change ends at this lost opportunity. We are promised an upgrade to our body and mind when we are born again in the Spirit.
It's always a choice and that choice is by Faith. Faith makes things possible. Choices are made on faith that what is determined will happen. This is called Hope. The Hope offered by the Spirit is that overcoming the hardships of this life produce reward in the next. Suffering is the point of life and faith allows us to suffer the correct direction. If you take something, you suffer the debt that comes as a result. If you produce something by suffering for that thing you earn, then reward follows. Smoke and you get cancer. Work out in a gym and you gain health. Taking reward (like smoking) always leads to suffering. Giving forward by suffering work always produces reward. Work a job and get a paycheck.
Along the way, we find God and the Spirit guiding us if love is in our hearts. If not, we are on our own and we end our soul's existence from lack of effort for the supreme good that life offers us all.
Hope that helps. My kids understand it fine.
Originally posted by Hydroman
I can understand that from a human perspective. Are you attracted to chimpanzees? If not, why do you think this other species would be attracted to humans?
Originally posted by LightAssassin
and he didn't expect them to react the way they did to the beauty of Human women (who can blame them, the female figure is amazingly beautiful)
reply to post by Hydroman
The proof that there is a god.
Are you saying that the Angels were not attracted to the women and just wanted to mess up the bloodlines? Doesn't the bible say they were attracted to them? That's why I made the correlation. Wouldn't it be like us being attracted to chimpanzees, who are similar in appearance to us, except for all the hair? Just wondering how one species would be attracted to a totally different species, and even capable of having sex with them bearing children. I mean, if we had sex with a chimpanzee, there wouldn't be children produced. So, how did this happen?
Originally posted by BlackManINC
Well, I would reckon that it has a lot to do with us being specifically created in the image of God himself, which is why it says that we were given dominion over this planet and all the animals on it and within it, which is why we're Satan's number one target, not chimpanzees. The Angels, or the "Sons of God" that got busy with human women were made to be about two steps above us, and were often mistaken as humans in appearance, so that in itself would have made this demonic copulation in Genesis 6 a lot easier.
I may not be able to explain how things have happened, but that doesn't mean I insert "God did it" when I can't figure it out. Ancient people made that mistake all the time.
Originally posted by MamaJ
This is a statement I have a hard time understanding. I seem to have always known there was a God... or a force that creates as I too am a creator. We all are.
"His-story" only works in English, and I'm pretty sure that English was invented later. I don't know people use that as if it really means something.
Originally posted by MamaJ
People tell a story which makes his-story.
It didn't work.
Originally posted by MamaJ
The Flood happened to get rid of the unclean, for there was a greater purpose to be had....