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posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
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The weird thing I see now is people like you and I can sit here to try and solve things, where both cultures survive, yet our leaders have been taught to follow the money, and not be rational. Both governments need a slap of reality. I honestly didn’t sit down and try to think of other measure to solve this. What do you think would help both Countries prosper and flourish, other than my silly idea of giving all the overseas jobs to Mexico.


I think the best thing the US could do is to start treating Mexico and the rest of Latin America as partners rather than step children. Beside being dictated to, Latin America has largely been ignored by the US and that has opened the door for Chuna. US should really look into the opportunities that exist in its own backtard.


I take it you agree with me on this? I must admit I am totally culturally illiterate. There are no Hispanic people around here and only one black family. I do get a dose of cuture when I travel to Portland Oregon, Seattle or elsewhere. I suppose I am somewhat guilty too. One time I bid on a job and found I needed a lot more help than I had planned. I drove to the City in which I was working, went down to the Union Gospel Mission and asked for 5 of the hardest workers. We whipped the job out in a day; however I would never consider paying anyone 5 bucks a day. I paid the going rate of the US minimum wage and also paid them in cash. I cant justify paying someone peanuts, even if it put more money in my pocket. I appreciated the work and more jobs came my way after completing on time.




posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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I take it you agree with me on this?


I agree with you on a lot. No matter which way you look at it, the issue has to be addressed. The problem isn't going away and ignoring it will only create a bigger problem later. I see Latin America as a gold mine for the US with a great potential for growth. IMO, helping those countries would lead to jobs in America.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
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I take it you agree with me on this?


I agree with you on a lot. No matter which way you look at it, the issue has to be addressed. The problem isn't going away and ignoring it will only create a bigger problem later. I see Latin America as a gold mine for the US with a great potential for growth. IMO, helping those countries would lead to jobs in America.


You are SPOT ON, like I said it would be a beneficial, lucrative investment. There is more going on than we know. Red tape, lobbyists, etc. The people running both our countries need to plan ahead for both our futures for prosperity, as of now I dont see what opportunities our children will have. China also has their own political agenda. Greed will ruin the world quickly!

Greenspan even knew about the housing market and Doom, yet never said anything, causing the great recession. We are headed for the worst part coming out the other side of the tornado. The stock market crash September 15th when Lehman brothers fell is nothing compared to what is coming next, and the DOW dropped 777 points in a day.

I do believe the guys working in the background have a plan for world peace, rather one world type government. The G-20. I think perhaps we are being set up to fail, like the guy who maxes out his credit cards then files for bankruptcy. I see no logical way out of this but i do suspect I know the final outcome.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by wonderworld

One time I bid on a job and found I needed a lot more help than I had planned. I drove to the City in which I was working, went down to the Union Gospel Mission and asked for 5 of the hardest workers. We whipped the job out in a day; however I would never consider paying anyone 5 bucks a day. I paid the going rate of the US minimum wage and also paid them in cash. I cant justify paying someone peanuts, even if it put more money in my pocket.


That is correct what I said about the minimum wage being around $5 a day, though many will make much more than that. A person working behind a counter or perhaps in a factory that does not have a diploma may make around $10 a day, but this is a big city here and wages are higher than in many little towns.

I am assuming where your job was in the US so it would be customary to pay US-type wages. It is wisest to pay somewhere near the going rate in whatever community with some leverage to be a little generous, but not get carried away. In those "gringo haven" community there was a tendency for the foreigners to be overly generous but the net result was to push up prices and expectations and have the consequence of making the town unaffordable for many of the native residents, pushing them out to living in the outskirts of town and not being able to afford many things people would otherwise have in the regular communities. Good intentions can end up having the reverse effect.

In those anglo towns one might expect to pay US-like prices for their homes. In Puerto Vallarta you might give $300k us dollars for a high-rise condo unit, though that would be right along the beach. Don't expect your waiter or taxi driver to be your neighbor though - however I did find the taxi fares to be exceptionally high when my wife and I made a recent trip there to visit with my aunt as her cruise ship docked in their port for a couple days. On the other hand if you were to decide to go native in another type of area you might find a decent house fairly well built and equipped for under $40k, but as almost everyone will advise you it is best to spend at least a year here renting before even thinking about buying anything.

Where you might choose to live could largely depend on how adventurous you are. Even choosing one of the top three gringo ghettos where Spanish is not necessarily needed it will be a horrendous culture shock to attempt living here even for someone that has vacationed a number of times in the past. For year-around spring weather and a well-established English-speaking community the north shore communities of Lake Chapala about 40 minuted drive outside of Guadalajara is where a Canadian or American with no Mexico experience and no contacts here could begin their journey. My wife and I enjoy visiting there for the "American experience" which is unique for her but frankly I don't like being around so many foreigners that insist Mexico change to conform to their expectations. A smaller town, and more expensive, would be San Miguel de Allende in the state of Guanajuato. I have heard it described as the "Solvang" of Mexico, if you happen to be acquainted with that quaint California village near Santa Barbara. The weather there is also excellent as are most locations in the central highlands. The immigrations requirements are likely to be more rigidly adhered to in these anglo enclaves, especially in regard to minimum income requirements,

Beach weather will be quite humid most of the time but Puerto Vallarta is another place with a large English-speaking community and many comforts of home. An adventurous person could move into many of the more sizeable cities and feel their way around but that can be quite tricky, though many are surprised just how welcoming and helpful their Mexican host neighbors can be.

I live in Morelia, the capital of the state of Michoacán. I can go for a month without seeing another Americano, even walking about in the hotel area downtown everyday, until I go to a monthly get-together with a dozen or so English-speaking friends who are part of a group established some 35 years ago that continue this tradition today. The glory of this location besides excellent weather is a loose collection of communities where a number of scattered anglos have settled, the largest concentration of them around Pátzcuaro Lake communities and in particular the town of Pátzcuaro which is the business hub of that region, my city of Morelia being about 40 minutes away from there and having a smaller anglo community. Anyone interested in visiting could contact me by U2U for more info and in most cases I would be willing to be their contact here to show them around a bit. Morelia has an international airport with direct flights from several US cities.

Visit this post in Members Photos thread to see pics of a house I just completed recently. www.abovetopsecret.com...

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posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 03:17 PM
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Thank you for the cultural education! I suppose I could become a gun slinging girl, I am from the Wild West but dont want to be encroached upon by banditos. Know what I mean. It's true about not feeling safe living here in the US. I have security lighting, a watch dog with sharp teeth, a video camera monitoring both doors. I'm probably nuts, I live in what would consider a rural safe place to live. I had a robbery where a church elder got killed nearby over his coin collection so no one is exempt from violence.

I know people who do travel to mexico each winter, snow birds. They drive their RV, barter things and make a lot of friends there. They have seasonal roofing business so off to the warmth and sipping cold ones on the beach. I have snow now and live in a snow belt. I love 4 seasons. I think I'd miss that most.

There are more Muslim immigration coming to the US and Europe than any other culture, many bring money. If another sleeper cell attempts an attack on one more city I do plan to move to Mexico. At least you dont have that same threat and you know who and what to watch and prepare for.

Speaking of that I would appreciate it more if the Mexican government would screen their passports better. I heard many Muslim terrorists are coming through the border and pretending to be of Hispanic origin. It seems weird eh? Have you heard that? I honestly dont see an ancestral similarity so maybe Ive heard it wrong?



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by wonderworld
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Thank you for that info!

There has been more than once i have considered selling my house. It was built in 2008. That money would buy me a mansion in Mexico and even dream of hiring a pool boy and still have a few hundred extra per month to live on. My house isn't a mansion just an average, modest, semi- middle class house Now that my teens moved out it's too big for me.

I am heading to check out Mexico real estate. Seriously! I wonder how hard it would be for me to legally move there. Do you know? What is the average price of a middle class home there and are they built to earthquake codes and regulations? Where would an Anglo be safest to move?

It's kind of like a person selling their house in New York and moving west. That money would buy 10 times the house over here. If things were reversed and my house was sitting in Manhattan I'd be considered very wealthy. We have a fund distrabution problem in the US and going socialist isnt the answer.

If Texas becomes a Country I may move there, if # hits the fan I'll jump the border and hope I dont get shot. Is it my imagination that Mexican citizens get shot trying to come here? Much of what I know is in fact incorrect I guess.


Be very, very careful.

Look let me tell you some thing here, this is just some general advice for any one who has land and those who wish to buy land in Mexico.

First a person is nothing with out land or a home. You have one and that's worth more than gold. Never, ever sell your home or land. You have no need to in Mexico you can buy land for payments no more than $100 to $400 a month. Never sell what you got just get more, if you can't keep what you have and guard it.

Second be very, very and I stress VERY careful when you buy land in Mexico. Literally think of it like entering a den of thieves when you do. If a Mexican gets sold an irregular land ( meaning it is not correctly fled with the state government for sale) he can stop paying and in 7 years of living on it it is his due to squatting rights and as long as he pays taxes on it. As an American not only do you need to higher a lawyer to maybe be able to own the land but if you get screwed which happens all the time because land sellers make back door deals with current political parties running the state but when there is a change of parties all bets and back door deals are off. As an American you will be nothing but screwed.

You cannot depend on laws or contracts in Mexico especially if you are not Mexican. Just giving you the heads up.

If you want to come to Mexico you are more than most welcome but you have to be smart, fugal, shrewd, patient, demanding and respectfully suspicious.

In mexico people are very respectful always while at the same time they will try to screw you over at every corner at least the younger generation will. The old folks down here are like the old american they know how to make a fair deal.

My advise don't sell you home rent it if your going to come to Mexico do extensive research into if and how you can buy or lease for 99 years, things like that. but keep your home always and get more if you can.

No need to be afraid of what I say, but knowledge is truly power in Mexico, that's why in a country with so many rich there are so many poor. And remember slipping a little money in the right hands will get you any info or assets you need, but you have to make sure it's the right hands.

The Rat.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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Northcom and Norad may be part of this solution and to my ATS friends I have not flip flopped on the issues. I have came to a different conclusion after more research. I have always been afraid of the Pan-American Highway on I-5 joining Canada, The US, and Mexico. Ive also been opposed to the North American Union thinking it is part of the Bible’s one world government or NWO. My feelings have changed on this subject. We are neighbors, whether you are racist or other ideals. We are in integrated society now. What harm could come to open up the damn border. Allow freedom for all to go about their lives. We act as if Mexico is similar to North and South Korea. It isn’t working for any of us this way. I say we join forces and fight the terrorists and not the Hispanics.

Our schools need restructuring. Laws need to provide peace and prosperity not to punish and cause hardship for all and this is exactly what we have at this time. Like we’ve mentioned here before Mexico has many opportunities for us as well. I don’t claim to have all the answers but ignoring this will cause it to grow out of control. There is still a mindset that Mexico is a 3rd world country.

By the way I’m also opposed to Chinese child labor, I’m glad I was raised in the north and my ancestors did not own slaves. We declare we are a free Nation, someone better go back and learn the constitution if they plan to fix this global problem we are facing.

Before we invest in Mexico we need to be sure not to rape the land of all resources. I’m shocked we sell out lumber to Japan to store in wet docks. The key to success would be to invest, without changing the culture and abide to Mexican regulations. Many in the Mexican community may hate this idea?

There are 761,606 square miles in Mexico about 3 times the size of Texas. Do you have bureaucratic red tape to mine your resources there? Perhaps a money distrabution issue? Your mining sector is dominated by hydrocarbons, with some of the world's largest deposits of petroleum (17th) and natural gas (18th). Mexico is also ranked in the top 5 producers of silver (13% of world production), bismuth (20% of the world's total), celestite (7% of world output) and fluorspar (18% of world output); sixth in molybdenum; among the top 10 in barite, bentonite, arsenic, diatomite, graphite, cadmium, gypsum, mine lead, manganese ore, salt, sulfur, and mine zinc; and in the top 15 in mine copper, cement, gold, and crude steel.

The wealth distribution should also be evaluated. I’m not trying to change your political system. I only see millions of displaced or unemployed workers on both sides here. Rich and poor with no middle class , and the same happening to the Grand old USA. Do you have any ideas about how to solve this. I cant believe I’m about to say this but I will. Maybe we should quit fighting the drug cartel. People will do drugs whether legal or not. No I don’t want my son to have access to coc aine at his local school but I have taught him better and to be aware! Citizens/parents have the responsibility of these issues. We cant expect the cops to stop it. Old methods have failed. That’s all. What ideas do you have?

Many would simply like to build another great wall of China and deport everyone. This is not a rational or acceptable solution.

I don’t want the US to act as a police state in your country. The political madness must be addressed and I’m scared to say that and I don’t live there. There must be a happy medium between PRI or the PAN style government. Is this the case? Voters shouldn’t be threatened or bribed. I still have faith that this is doable with the current government if done properly. I dont expect you to answer this question if your avatar is wearing a military uniform.

I don’t want to go on my Bible rant about a global dictator. We pay the guys in power to solve our problems and they better step up to the plate.

What ideas do you have?



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Be realisitc your talking Mexico an a good day mostly 3rd world yes I've been there many times. You an American in Mexico not vice versa not a real friendly place. Why do you think they come here



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by mikellmikell
Be realisitc your talking Mexico an a good day mostly 3rd world yes I've been there many times. You an American in Mexico not vice versa not a real friendly place. Why do you think they come here


Good question maybe I have temporary amnesia or something. I tried to look beyond the corruption but address the violence and solve the issues we have at hand. It’s not only Mexico I’m worried about but here in the US. The jobs and the violence rolls across the borders, when I imagine a peaceful prosperous way of life for both Countries to work together. Sometimes it starts from the bottom up. That is all I can offer at this point. It is a silent problem we try to sweep under the rug. The US is following suit here and doing away with the middle class and no one is yelling yet. I am but what to do?

Mexico is our neighbor, man I get upset at times.... I'm not lying when I say I want to peek over the fence and see prosperity and happy kids and families. We all benefit from that.

What I wonder about in another sense is all the hotel maid work here in the US. Those workers,, do get paid at least minimum wage ? Or because some may be illegal they get paid 10 bucks a day? Is this under the table type work? I simply dont understand it all but there must be a happy medium. This brings me back to the idea of pouring a few thousand more jobs back in to Mexico to build and develop the community with Hotels and Restaurants and other cultural structures. There is no such thing as fair these days but we must start somewhere.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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I doubt many here go to the US to earn the same pay as they could receive in Mexico. I certainly don't want the US butting its affairs in down here or throwing its weight around. Build the wall if it suits you all, and build it high enough to keep each other to their own side of it. It is the US border that is porous and that is for their own benefit.

The Drug War has many agendas, the least of which is to accomplish what most people assume is its goal. It was never about stopping illicit drug traffic but always has been to control that traffic. Bear in mind that the British conducted an illicit opium trade with China which enriched the British aristocracy. I see no evidence that the trade was ever curtailed but that it has expanded worldwide and includes other products now traded within that prohibition. The US and its military likewise are enforcers as well as beneficiaries of that trade. All is not as it is purported to be. The Drug War also serves as a means to take away your liberties and is a no-knock entryway into your livingroom.

I never started a family while living in the US but instead pursued my career and enjoyed its trappings and pleasures. I am retired now with my only purpose being to enjoy life as I wish. For the past five years or so here I have been with my loving companion and have invested in a home both for my own comfort and to provide her security and sanctuary after I am gone. I expect I have another 5 to 15 years left in me and hope to spend those moments living peacefully here. I have a few acres in California I can return to if for any reason I must leave Mexico, and though I would hate to do so I have no financial or emotional investments here I cannot walk away from if need be. My only desire is to live out my days comfortably, secure, and peacefully which for these past seven years of my retirement all has gone remarkably well within that wish. I see little reason that cannot continue on to my last breath.

There are greater truths and underlying motives at play in this world that most people will never come to understand. Many who have grand ideas let their altruism play into the hands of others' selfish schemes. It is impossible to know for sure what will be of best benefit to others. There is always a potential danger for all concerned when one's actions extend beyond their own concerns and of those in their immediate circle. People still face a huge risk when acting in their own behalf but generally the potential damage will be more containable.

If you wish to embark on an adventurous journey into an unknown realm with the purpose of discovering a new experience of freedom and comfort I wish you well and can offer the benefit of tales from my own such journey.

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posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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I'm comforted by your peace of mind. It was silly to think I could help solve the issues. We the people have power to put forth changes here but fear is always a good deterrent to look the other way.

Drugs are plain evil. I suppose if we mind our business and follow the laws we make our own peace. I still have compassion and humanity for others less fortunate. I'm sure you do, as well.

It's been a very educational conversation, to say the least. Thanks, you are very knowledgeable.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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Amazing post!

It's nice to see and hear that Americans can come to Mexico and enjoy Mexico for all that it has to offer with out wanting to change it into another US. Mexico has it's problems but it's not the dump every one's ignorance makes it out to be.

Mexico finds a way, the country is always in a crisis yet every one has a full belly even if it's beans at the end of the day.

One of the things people don't understand about poverty in Mexico is that you can be poor, you can live in poverty it is a choice, you can have a home and a family and live until you die in poverty. There is no boot up your rump making you compete to get a better job a bigger house and that leaves the door wide open for anyone with half a brain to opportunity.

Two types of Mexicans go to the US one looks for the leverage higher wages will afford him to return to Mexico and live as a king the other goes for a better life. It happens because the US Government lets it and it is the only country in the world that lets it happen aside from England and France who are playing the same game.

the winds are changing a bit in Mexico and the future of the US and Mexico has become grey to me but I feel safe enough to hope for the best for Mexico. The winds are a bit wilder currently in the US so I wish you all better days.

If any American ends up in Mexico hold your head high, welcome and enjoy.

The Rat.
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posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by wonderworld
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I'm comforted by your peace of mind. It was silly to think I could help solve the issues. We the people have power to put forth changes here but fear is always a good deterrent to look the other way.

Drugs are plain evil. I suppose if we mind our business and follow the laws we make our own peace. I still have compassion and humanity for others less fortunate. I'm sure you do, as well.


It should not be fear that guides us but should be mindful that our altruism is often being played. Trading with your neighbors is a good thing but NAFTA the free-trade agreement is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Looking the other way would have had less devastating consequences in that instance. Sad that it is that way.

Drugs including alcohol, the recreational king of the lot, by their nature carry the dangers of abuse. They are made evil by either they way they are touted and promoted as in the case of alcohol, or by how the prohibition on other substances is exploited for profit. When US alphabet agencies dump illicit substances into their cities for profit or to fund black operations it is difficult to view that as anything other than evil, though the true evil in those instances are not in the substances themselves. I am in favor of exposing that evil as a way to end it but there is a truth to that matter that many find difficult to accept.

I see the facets of my own life happily fitting into place but the general state of the world often seems less fortunate.

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