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posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 05:18 PM
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There are consequences for your actions,

What you deny and what you embrace,

Will impact you future

Yep, I completely agree.

What does that have to do with my questions? You haven't answered them.

Are you (in your worldview) Jesus Christ returned?

When is this "judgment" going to happen? You said it's happening now, I asked for details.

Also, could you kindly, please, consider that there are people on this site, and in this forum, who are VERY selfless and compassionate, but may not match your "idea" of how they are?




posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 07:35 PM
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Let me give you some direction on this. By direction, I mean taking you into another area of the map so you can see the territory more clearly. Involution is the Spirit entering inconscience from the veil of matter. Read this thread: LINK

Gospel of the Nazarenes (Lection 88)

12. For by involution and evolution shall the salvation of all the world be accomplished: by the Descent of Spirit into matter, and the Ascent of matter into Spirit through the ages.

What is experienced by the person who sleeps?

1 Corinthians 13

12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

As the soul sleeps and is involved into matter, what keeps it from waking and rediscovering the source?

"Evolution is thus the movement forward by which the created universe evolves from its initial state of inconscience (i.e. as matter), evolves animated life forms and mental beings (i.e. humans), and continues to evolve spiritual properties, and in that process rediscovers its Source. "

Riddle me this Batman. Does the Spirit have an enemy that is very smart? Place yourself in the enemies camp for a moment and think on this. What is this verse describing.

1 Colossians 1: 15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Mankind is created by this first image. Do we remember who we are? Is there a veil over the temple? Once the veil was torn, what would you do if you were the enemy? Immerse the ones asleep into more material. What has our society been immersed into by technology, media, entertainment, substances and so on? Who brings self-gratification to mankind if we are following the story line of our previous myths and histories? When we consult the Bible, is there an adversary wanting to keep us asleep? By us, I am referring to the first image above.

There is a secret to this in the book of Jonah.

Jesus Prayer from the Belly of the Fish

Are you confused? Read this now and ask why mankind can be prompted into disbelief so easily. Also, consider how truth then wins the victory by the law of inverse squares as we approach the source. Destiny cannot be changed. This link explains why.

Eyes Wide Open and Awake!

What Brown is suggesting is merely stating the process of how the soul wakes from sleep. Of course, this process can be manipulated and has been. This is why the enemy spends eternity in a pit of darkness as punishment. The entire experience is how the light is revealing darkness for what it is. The trial that follows judges the process and separates what does not belong. Involution and evolution is this process.



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posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 08:06 PM
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Interesting perspective EWR.
You're a well studied man. I can appreciate that. At least your posts have some substance to them. Can you teach your peer in this thread some depth, and original thought? He could stand a few lessons from you on more than one level.



posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Klassified
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Interesting perspective EWR.
You're a well studied man. I can appreciate that. At least your posts have some substance to them. Can you teach your peer in this thread some depth, and original thought? He could stand a few lessons from you on more than one level.




Godlover25 is correct in what he is saying. Judgment will come. If you reduce symbols to their root, you will discover the hidden story the symbols tell. Our mind reads the symbols. The Word of God awakens what is already written on our hearts. That word can be manipulated, yet faith clarifies what is read. The deception you are falling for is the same deception that leads to the final understanding. As GodLover25 states, all knees will bow, all eyes see. We are all here for the Day of the Lord. All 7 billion souls have been immersed in the water together.

The story can even be found in a few simple Latin and Greek words.

Revelation 6:11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.

Amni - Stream of Water or River

Amnio - Greek "Bowl" or "Lamb"

"Denotes a thin, transparent, tough membrane lining and the fluid-filled cavity contains the embryo of reptiles, birds, and mammals [amniotes]; the membrane around a fetus; diminutive of amnos, lamb; a bowl in which the blood of sacrificial victims was caught. Now used primarily to indicate the membrane surrounding the fetus in utero. "

Amnion - The amnion is a membrane building the amniotic sac that surrounds and protects an embryo.

Amniotic Fluid - Amniotic fluid or liquor amnii is the nourishing and protecting liquid contained by the amniotic sac of a pregnant woman.

Amnia - bag of waters; the extraembryonic membrane of birds, reptiles, and mammals, which lines the chorion.

Sia - Greek > Latin: a suffix; actor, process, condition, or state of; result of; expresses a state or abnormal condition or process of some disease

Amne(sia) - From modified Latin amnesia, from Ancient Greek ἀμνησία (amnēsia, “forgetfulness”).

AMNE´STIA (ἀμνηστεία)Amnesty is a word used by the later Greek writers, and from them borrowed by the Romans, to describe the act or arrangement by which offences were forgotten, or regarded as if they had not been committed, so that the offender could not be called to account for them.

The wool over the sheeps eyes is there as the veil over our understanding. Our sin is cut away. The wool is then washed white as snow and given back to us as a new robe (Body) and crown (Mind). Amnesty comes as we realize the significance of our sin.

My threads ALL explain this. You can also consult the link in my signature. Of course, you can ignore the truth. Ignorance is Ignoring what is written on your heart already. Darren Brown cannot explain this to you. Your heart can.

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posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 08:46 PM
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In Love and Truth, Amen
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Just found this and thought it was interesting.


Where does the term Amen come from?


originally it goes back to the Hebrew (cf. Semitic root 'mn I believe) word for "truly/truth"

King Tut was a pharaoh in the 18th dynasty of ancient Egypt. He became the next King after Akenhaten at the age of nine. Because of his youth and inexperience, Commander Aye, who was his uncle as well as his private advisor, actually made the important decisions for him. One of the decisions Aye made was to return polytheism to Egypt. Polytheism is basically the belief in gods and goddesses. The cults of the god, Amen, as well as others, were revived.

Because of this change, King Tut, whose full name was actually Tutankhaten, changed his name to Tutankhamen. While his name had meant, "living image of Aten", his new name meant "living image of Amen." The young King also moved to Memphis, which was located near what we know as being Cairo today, and he lived in his father's Theban palace.

King Tut's short rule ended just nine years later, when he was just eighteen years old. The cause of his death is still questioned today, but it is assumed that he was murdered because he died from a blow to the skull.


Just thought it was cool, not trying to prove anyone right/wrong


Namaste



posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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Man, i wouldnt judge or berate anyone based on what they believe (im not even sure what i believe) but the way you present your beliefs is more likely to alienate people than strike a chord with them.

Im guessing you don't socialise much? Again, just an observation, no offence intended



posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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I missed the point of stabbing a picture of a loved one. The one person that did it, did he do it because he believed in Satan, or that he found the idea so ridiculous that he believed absolutely nothing would happen?

I think the point was fear. How many wouldn't do it because they would fear something bad happening to that person, or themselves, or both. Even though they profess atheism, they still have some belief in supernatural forces.

I wish he would have spent a little more time explaining that part of the show. He kind of left everyone hanging there.



posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 09:34 PM
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I understand what you're saying EWR. But as you already know, I'm no stranger to Christianity. I lived and breathed it for much of my life. I find your posts and perspective interesting, and often star them, but converting me back to the cult just ain't happenin'. You've still got better manners than your fellow Christian in this thread though. And I still think he's a babe with a lot of growing up to do. He's thinks he's on meat, but he's still a suckling on the teat.



posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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Originally posted by Klassified
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I understand what you're saying EWR. But as you already know, I'm no stranger to Christianity. I lived and breathed it for much of my life. I find your posts and perspective interesting, and often star them, but converting me back to the cult just ain't happenin'. You've still got better manners than your fellow Christian in this thread though. And I still think he's a babe with a lot of growing up to do. He's thinks he's on meat, but he's still a suckling on the teat.



Within your comparison of Godlover and yourself by the light of my posts, you are stating the answer to how your impression of Christianity differs by the same degree of the comparison. This is how truth works. It's written on your heart already. Christianity is not the problem. The problem is this entirely: The Veil of the Temple You must remove it or you will keep seeing your reflection within it.

Your complaint is a mirror of yourself. The comparison to Christianity is merely what you see in yourself. Remove the veil and all becomes clear.

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posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 10:21 PM
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Your penchant for expounding on the complexities of existence is admirable EWR. But sometimes, simplicity is all that is needed.



posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by Klassified
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Your penchant for expounding on the complexities of existence is admirable EWR. But sometimes, simplicity is all that is needed.



I agree. Love God and love others. Give and receive and avoid taking. That's all God wants from us.

The problem is, most people need a sign. They think it can't be that simple. By showing the symbolism around the point of life, axioms begin to develop and evident truth emerges. There are many people like me that need the mind and the heart to match.



posted on Nov, 17 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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As GodLover25 states, all knees will bow,


And you're fine with this? You want to kneel before your master, be his adoring slave, submitting to his authority over you with no room for questioning his perfect intentions.

You have no idea how much I HATE that idea. We are no one's slave. I owe my allegiance to no one, not to a god or a devil. I am not a pawn to be played with by supernatural beings. The whole premise is ludicrous and insulting.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 05:21 AM
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Originally posted by godlover25
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Of that day and hour, no man knoweth, no not even the angels in heaven, or the Son, but only the Father


Sorry to jump in late here but this quote shows a massive contradiction in the bible. The bible says that the father, son and holy spirit are the same entity, the holy trinity reduced to one yet god botherer here claims that the father knows when the day is coming but not the son. How's that possible if they are one and the same.

I tell you what politicians can't hold a candle to the religious when it comes to skirting round an answer. I have never read a firm answer from the indoctrinated. The day of judgement is supposedly coming, could be tomorrow, next year or ten thousand years. Whoopdy flaming doo.

Why do these people feel they have to put their beliefs onto us, are they so insecure in their beliefs that they can't keep it to themselves. It reminds me of hitchens talking of religion as toys. You play with your own toys, your toys don't interest me and I don't wanna play with em.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 06:35 AM
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Never been entirely convinced by Derren Brown.....It's just too easy to set these things up in a studio environment, their resources are huge and they 'hold all the cards' so to speak.

Enjoy the show, but take it with a sizeable pinch of salt.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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Originally posted by squarehead666
Never been entirely convinced by Derren Brown.....It's just too easy to set these things up in a studio environment, their resources are huge and they 'hold all the cards' so to speak.

Enjoy the show, but take it with a sizeable pinch of salt.


I would agree with this somewhat. And Brown has admitted to as much in a manner of speaking.

Derren Brown (born 27 February 1971) is an English illusionist, mentalist, hypnotist, painter, writer, and sceptic.


Though his performances of mind-reading and other feats of mentalism may appear to be the result of psychic or paranormal practices, he claims no such abilities and frequently denounces those who do. Brown states at the beginning of his Trick of the Mind programmes that he achieves his results using a combination of "magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship"

Source

As one who has delved into hypnosis, I can tell you that much can be done with it. Add NLP, a good understanding of the human mind, and good people skills, and little he does on the show surprises me. Although he has pulled a few stunts I have written off to be sure.

But I think the bigger point to what Derren does is not his prowess with hypnosis, NLP, body language, and so on. It's his ability to bring out what the human mind is capable of, for better or worse. Before I had ever heard of Derren Brown, I knew our own thoughts could kill us or heal us. Derren has shown again and again, that and more is true of us as a species.

Thanks for mentioning this. It's something I hadn't thought to cover in the OP. Anything in the media should be taken with a pinch of salt.
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posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by jiggerj
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As GodLover25 states, all knees will bow,


And you're fine with this? You want to kneel before your master, be his adoring slave, submitting to his authority over you with no room for questioning his perfect intentions.

You have no idea how much I HATE that idea. We are no one's slave. I owe my allegiance to no one, not to a god or a devil. I am not a pawn to be played with by supernatural beings. The whole premise is ludicrous and insulting.


Until you realize that God stands for freedom, peace, kindness, gentleness, abounding love and perfect unity--everything you lack here in this place--your pride will win the war with your soul and God's Spirit within you that is trying to save you. We struggle to rise to this, yet that kingdom of abundance and rest is already available. Faith does not come without hope.

You declare that you are sufficient all by your self without realizing that you only do two things. You think and move to change the states of matter around you. You do not make the sun shine, the Earth turn or your hair grow. Your eyes function as a result of a cause separate from you and your ears hear by a mechanism you do not produce. ALL of it is done FOR you and not by you. You think and move. God does the rest. Without him you are in a chaotic void. With Him is peace and life.

If we seek God for our own good (reward), then we are duplicitous. If we seek Him to avoid judgment, we are again self-seeking. It might bother you to give service of good works to the one that you owe them to, but I choose the one that holds truth and love above my own contrived pride; not because of my own duplicity, but because it's the right thing to do. No gift can be given apart from earning that gift first. God has earned what He is giving. I am humbled that He shares it with me; that he makes me something from nothing; that he gives me the very breath that I breathe.

Romans 10

10 Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. 2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3 Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

-----We pray and support Israel because we are all pictured by their lost light and blindness to truth. They are the light that is the reflecting point of God to us. By their light, we are saved. I don't support them because they are within the context of truth. I support them because LOVE covers a multitude of sin for ALL of us.

5 Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.” 6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Saved from WHAT! Yourself!!! By our own actions with God's fruit, we will destroy what has been given. We will perish with no chance for life on Earth. Yet, God continues to give.

Matthew 24

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

When the Earth is on the edge of an extinction event due to man's error, who will you trust? Which kneed will bow first and which eye will see Christ coming to save YOU!





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posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Until you realize that God stands for freedom, peace, kindness, gentleness, abounding love and perfect unity
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You just CAN'T be serious with that, EWR. You just can't! Everything you've mentioned is EXACTLY what is missing in the Middle east. For over five thousand years the belief in a god has meant domination, war, cruelty, abounding hate and COMPLETE lack of unity. For over five thousand years the belief in a god has made it so that religion is against other religions, religion against different sects of the same religion, religion against atheism, religion against children, religion against women, religion against other nations, religion against education, religion against freedom of speech, religion against freedom of expression...

The belief in a god is THEE MOST evil thing mankind has ever invented.




everything you lack here in this place


But I don't lack ANY of those things! And, I have them because my government is legally bound to not support or promote any religion.
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posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Our government was first founded on principles found in the law. The Mideast and our present condition show the futility of doing it our way. It is ALL failing.

Isaiah 9

The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of deep darkness a light has dawned. You have enlarged the nation 3 and increased their joy; they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as warriors rejoice when dividing the plunder. For as in the day of Midian’s defeat, 4 you have shattered the yoke that burdens them, the bar across their shoulders, the rod of their oppressor. Every warrior’s boot used in battle 5 and every garment rolled in blood will be destined for burning, will be fuel for the fire. For to us a child is born, 6 to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the greatness of his government and peace 7 there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.

1 John 3

See what great love the Father has lavished on us, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, [a] we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. 3 All who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure.

4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
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posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Faith does not come without hope.
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Faith in a god is completely empty of all hope for life on this planet. Ongoing since before biblical times faith has guaranteed persecution, guaranteed that some would be eaten by lions, guaranteed the domination of women and children, guaranteed holy wars and hatred and ignorance and intolerance. The only reason the U.S. ever came to be was because people left other countries to escape religious persecution.

If you live in the U.S, and if the government suddenly became a Christian government, overnight we would lose so many rights and freedoms that we would be hurled back into dark ages. Other religions would be persecuted. ALL stem cell research would cease. No more questions on abortions - that would be out of the question. Birth control - outlawed with imprisonment. The teaching of evolution, gone.

Those skimpy outfits worn by celebrities - uh-uh.
Thongs? No way.

The belief in a god is so wrong and so evil on so many levels.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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Faith does not come without hope.
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Faith in a god is completely empty of all hope for life on this planet. Ongoing since before biblical times faith has guaranteed persecution, guaranteed that some would be eaten by lions, guaranteed the domination of women and children, guaranteed holy wars and hatred and ignorance and intolerance. The only reason the U.S. ever came to be was because people left other countries to escape religious persecution.

If you live in the U.S, and if the government suddenly became a Christian government, overnight we would lose so many rights and freedoms that we would be hurled back into dark ages. Other religions would be persecuted. ALL stem cell research would cease. No more questions on abortions - that would be out of the question. Birth control - outlawed with imprisonment. The teaching of evolution, gone.

Those skimpy outfits worn by celebrities - uh-uh.
Thongs? No way.

The belief in a god is so wrong and so evil on so many levels.



Again it is not about us, but what has been done for us. Belief in God has little to do with works or control. It has to do with a changed heart by faith. Faith is God's work in us, not our work. You are only pointing out our need for God's authority. You are also looking for the freedom to break that law of love in exchange for individual freedom to take the freedom of others. Our nation's debt is a reflection of what we steal from the world. The petrol dollar is a ponzie scheme. Our wealth is stolen. No need claiming secular ideology and objectivism works. It does not.

Giving and receiving requires the gift given to first be earned. Altruism is the answer. Any hard working father will tell you how to provide for family. Unity of Family





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