It happened when faced with falling Republican voting blocks Reagan adopted Pat Robertson. And for a few decades it worked, until present day. Now
after decades of social issues constantly being put on the back burner the Republican Party the religious folks too k the wheel and they aren't
planning on giving it back.
Where did the "Christian Right" come from?, page 1
reply posted on 13-11-2012 @ 03:05 PM by DOLCOTT
reply to post by DazedDave
Are you seriously asking this question or is this a feeble attempt to stir up more GOD HATERS at ATS?
Oir country was formed specifically on Christain values, which if followed I believe nobody could argue that they are wrong in anyway. However since we have become a nation of special interest groups and once what was called the Moral Majority has become everything is acceptable, respect is something you get from a rap song, and teachers and parents are the scourge of the earth.
Christains have always been on the right, the Bible teaches lessons to followed in every aspect of our lives, financial responsibility, respect for your parents, elders and authority, to be tolerant of others and not to be judgemental of anyone among many other lesson in living a good and honest life. I find it very sad that there are not alot of practicing Christains, certainly alot of them pick and choose which parts they feel are convienent to obey. Mix in the SUPER Churches with multimillion TV ministries and the fact that CHURCH is a big business it IMO is a mockery of what Christains and America represent.
Are you seriously asking this question or is this a feeble attempt to stir up more GOD HATERS at ATS?
Oir country was formed specifically on Christain values, which if followed I believe nobody could argue that they are wrong in anyway. However since we have become a nation of special interest groups and once what was called the Moral Majority has become everything is acceptable, respect is something you get from a rap song, and teachers and parents are the scourge of the earth.
Christains have always been on the right, the Bible teaches lessons to followed in every aspect of our lives, financial responsibility, respect for your parents, elders and authority, to be tolerant of others and not to be judgemental of anyone among many other lesson in living a good and honest life. I find it very sad that there are not alot of practicing Christains, certainly alot of them pick and choose which parts they feel are convienent to obey. Mix in the SUPER Churches with multimillion TV ministries and the fact that CHURCH is a big business it IMO is a mockery of what Christains and America represent.
reply posted on 13-11-2012 @ 03:13 PM by darkhorserider
reply to post by DazedDave
Puritanical beliefs that go all the way to Plymouth Rock.
BUT, they used to be tolerant of all beliefs, until the PC police waged war against everything religious in the nation. The religious right felt like they were under attack for everything from prayer in schools, to the Christmas Holiday, to the money and Pledge of Allegiance. A very vocal movement began to attack anything and everything religious, and then the normally tolerant religious fundamentalists began to strike back.
It is a dangerous pendulum, and it is currently reaching an apex and switching directions again.
Puritanical beliefs that go all the way to Plymouth Rock.
BUT, they used to be tolerant of all beliefs, until the PC police waged war against everything religious in the nation. The religious right felt like they were under attack for everything from prayer in schools, to the Christmas Holiday, to the money and Pledge of Allegiance. A very vocal movement began to attack anything and everything religious, and then the normally tolerant religious fundamentalists began to strike back.
It is a dangerous pendulum, and it is currently reaching an apex and switching directions again.
reply posted on 13-11-2012 @ 03:20 PM by Jerk_Idiot
reply to post by DazedDave
I do not claim to be right on this. Just observations over the last 60yrs. I am a agnostic and not a Christian. I claim the opposite view then most on here. I was a liberal democrat in the late 60's early 70's. I believe I have not changed my views but the left has gone so far left it has turned me standing still into a conservative.
From what I have seen starting in the 60's a attack on the Christian religion started. Those that ARE religious started to be afraid as they saw those in power going after them for things that had been around for decades if not a century with no or little ill effects to the general public. Things like the 10 commandments being in court. Statues of crosses in cemetary's or even the name of the city I live in which has been its name since its exception having people demanding it be changed because it can construed as religion. Remember Obama and his speech about people who hold onto their guns and bible's? When you attack people and their beliefs they try to defend themselves. The Christian religion is held to a different
standard now then any other's I have seen. Just stand back and compare them and I think you will see what I mean.
Agree or disagree as you like. That has been my observations.
I do not claim to be right on this. Just observations over the last 60yrs. I am a agnostic and not a Christian. I claim the opposite view then most on here. I was a liberal democrat in the late 60's early 70's. I believe I have not changed my views but the left has gone so far left it has turned me standing still into a conservative.
From what I have seen starting in the 60's a attack on the Christian religion started. Those that ARE religious started to be afraid as they saw those in power going after them for things that had been around for decades if not a century with no or little ill effects to the general public. Things like the 10 commandments being in court. Statues of crosses in cemetary's or even the name of the city I live in which has been its name since its exception having people demanding it be changed because it can construed as religion. Remember Obama and his speech about people who hold onto their guns and bible's?
When you attack people and their beliefs they try to defend themselves. The Christian religion is held to a different
standard now then any other's I have seen. Just stand back and compare them and I think you will see what I mean. Agree or disagree as you like. That has been my observations.
reply posted on 13-11-2012 @ 03:37 PM by darkhorserider
reply to post by Jerk_Idiot
I think you nailed it. That is exactly what I was thinking.
If you look at Facebook, the posts that are religious are always agressively defensive in nature. Like they are daring someone to take the "Christ" out of Christmas.
For the record, there is nothing wrong or illegal about prayer in school, so long as no one is forced into doing it, or belittled for not doing so. There is nothing wrong with the Christmas holiday, except for the retailers hijacking it.
I get really annoyed at all the Religious stuff being thrown in my face, and I really, really hate the ultimatum type of posts that must be "shared" or otherwise you are a god-hating communist, LOL! BUT, I feel like that particular segment of the population was probably driven back inch by inch by the opposite segment, and now we've reached the point where their backs are against the wall and they are pushing back.
I think the argument is pretty stupid from both sides. But then again, I am a Liberatarian who believes everyone should be allowed to do their thing, and nobody should be forced to do anything.
I think you nailed it. That is exactly what I was thinking.
If you look at Facebook, the posts that are religious are always agressively defensive in nature. Like they are daring someone to take the "Christ" out of Christmas.
For the record, there is nothing wrong or illegal about prayer in school, so long as no one is forced into doing it, or belittled for not doing so. There is nothing wrong with the Christmas holiday, except for the retailers hijacking it.
I get really annoyed at all the Religious stuff being thrown in my face, and I really, really hate the ultimatum type of posts that must be "shared" or otherwise you are a god-hating communist, LOL! BUT, I feel like that particular segment of the population was probably driven back inch by inch by the opposite segment, and now we've reached the point where their backs are against the wall and they are pushing back.
I think the argument is pretty stupid from both sides. But then again, I am a Liberatarian who believes everyone should be allowed to do their thing, and nobody should be forced to do anything.
reply posted on 13-11-2012 @ 03:37 PM by seabag
reply to post by DazedDave
Christians lean ‘right’ because the ‘right’ defends the right to life by opposing legalized infanticide (abortion) and supports the family unit. Most people become more conservative on an variety of issues as they mature. Practicing Christians already have that level of understanding and maturity.
There is some truth to the notion that the ‘right’ is comprised of old white people. IMO it is age and maturity (as well as Christian faith) that allows people to see past the greed, selfishness, and lack of maturity commonly found in most young people. When people grow up they gain a better understanding of right and wrong (a moral compass) and they tend to lean ‘right’ while abandoning the liberal debauchery of their past.
It is what it is….the ‘right’ is RIGHT. Most Christians and mature adults realize this.
Christians lean ‘right’ because the ‘right’ defends the right to life by opposing legalized infanticide (abortion) and supports the family unit. Most people become more conservative on an variety of issues as they mature. Practicing Christians already have that level of understanding and maturity.
There is some truth to the notion that the ‘right’ is comprised of old white people. IMO it is age and maturity (as well as Christian faith) that allows people to see past the greed, selfishness, and lack of maturity commonly found in most young people. When people grow up they gain a better understanding of right and wrong (a moral compass) and they tend to lean ‘right’ while abandoning the liberal debauchery of their past.
It is what it is….the ‘right’ is RIGHT. Most Christians and mature adults realize this.
reply posted on 13-11-2012 @ 03:45 PM by KeliOnyx
reply to post by HappyBunny
Well your right it was Falwell, but since he and Robertson were more or less conjoined twins until Falwell's death. I just happened to be more aware of Robertson at the time than I was Falwell so he is the first one that I think of. But I do think it is kind of funny someone mentioned the hypocrisy back then and I remember the Keating 5 and the big S&L scandal as they tried to censor Larry Flynt. Same freedom loving folks new generation.
Well your right it was Falwell, but since he and Robertson were more or less conjoined twins until Falwell's death. I just happened to be more aware of Robertson at the time than I was Falwell so he is the first one that I think of. But I do think it is kind of funny someone mentioned the hypocrisy back then and I remember the Keating 5 and the big S&L scandal as they tried to censor Larry Flynt. Same freedom loving folks new generation.
reply posted on 13-11-2012 @ 03:46 PM by Flatfish
reply to post by DazedDave
For starters, let's not forget that the KKK was very much a radicalized Christian oriented organization involved in politics, but that was a long time ago and it's probably not the more recent change that you're inquiring about. Or then again, is it the same old wolf in new sheep's clothing?
I think the phenomena you're asking about actually began with Karl Rove's dream of creating a "Permanent Republican Majority" in Congress following the election of G.W. Bush. Some of his cohorts in the plan were people like Tom Delay, Ralph Reed, Jack Abramoff, Robert Ney and Grover Norquist, just to name a few. Ralph Reed was the man charged with gathering the Christian coalition together and delivering them to the GOP.
Just google Ralph Reed and follow the money, I mean the trail.
For starters, let's not forget that the KKK was very much a radicalized Christian oriented organization involved in politics, but that was a long time ago and it's probably not the more recent change that you're inquiring about. Or then again, is it the same old wolf in new sheep's clothing?
I think the phenomena you're asking about actually began with Karl Rove's dream of creating a "Permanent Republican Majority" in Congress following the election of G.W. Bush. Some of his cohorts in the plan were people like Tom Delay, Ralph Reed, Jack Abramoff, Robert Ney and Grover Norquist, just to name a few. Ralph Reed was the man charged with gathering the Christian coalition together and delivering them to the GOP.
Just google Ralph Reed and follow the money, I mean the trail.
reply posted on 13-11-2012 @ 03:47 PM by darkhorserider
reply to post by seabag
But the "pro-life" stance is a farce. There has to be a level of choice for the doctors and involved parties. You can't legislate something like that. I'd agree with a ban on late-term abortions for no other reason than birth control, but that isn't enough for the religious crowd. Many of them would see a mother languish and die from an Ectopic Pregnancy, rather than save her with a surgery.
Also, the "liberal debauchery" should be a stance from the right! The right believes in small, unintrusive government, so the right should believe in libertarian issues like legalizing certain plants, and how a woman chooses to use her body. If an athlete or model can make money with their body, why can't an average woman? Aren't we all just renting our bodies and minds to our employers anyway?
The problem with this recent emergence of the "religious right" is that they became synonomous, and too many people, such as you, now believe that being religious is equivalent to being conservative. It most certainly is NOT equivalent!
But the "pro-life" stance is a farce. There has to be a level of choice for the doctors and involved parties. You can't legislate something like that. I'd agree with a ban on late-term abortions for no other reason than birth control, but that isn't enough for the religious crowd. Many of them would see a mother languish and die from an Ectopic Pregnancy, rather than save her with a surgery.
Also, the "liberal debauchery" should be a stance from the right! The right believes in small, unintrusive government, so the right should believe in libertarian issues like legalizing certain plants, and how a woman chooses to use her body. If an athlete or model can make money with their body, why can't an average woman? Aren't we all just renting our bodies and minds to our employers anyway?
The problem with this recent emergence of the "religious right" is that they became synonomous, and too many people, such as you, now believe that being religious is equivalent to being conservative. It most certainly is NOT equivalent!
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