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Originally posted by GrantedBail
Looks like he cut himself a deal. Good for him, they were going to fry him
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The U.S. Army soldier charged with sending reams of government secrets to WikiLeaks is offering to plead guilty to some less serious offenses.
Pfc. Bradley Manning's civilian defense attorney, David Coombs, revealed the offer Wednesday during a pretrial hearing that continues Thursday.
Coombs says Manning isn't pleading guilty to the offenses charged by the government. He's offering to take responsibility for less serious offenses that are encapsulated within the charged crimes.
www.csmonitor.com...
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God - Army Oath of Enlistment
Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by Drunkenparrot
Yes, I read that. Sorry. They don't have to accept it but it is a defense strategy. I am sure that a request for Manning's testimony against Assange will be forthcoming.
Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by Xcathdra
If they ever do prosecute Assange, if he is for real, and not an intelligence asset, they would use a military court. That is what I think anyway.
Originally posted by magma
He is still going to fry, for life without parole
Assange will be next
Then it's you , then me......
Originally posted by zroth
reply to post by GrantedBail
He did what he swore to do. Shame he is going to be punished for it.
I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God - Army Oath of Enlistment
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
funny how the authoritarians slavering at the possibility
of manning testifying against assange
are ignoring the fact that his being isolated is a form of torture
wouldn't that discredit any such testimony.?
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
funny how the authoritarians slavering at the possibility
of manning testifying against assange
are ignoring the fact that his being isolated is a form of torture
wouldn't that discredit any such testimony.?
Nope... Its not torture at all under US law nor is it torture under the UCMJ.
Leave the UN definitions / requirements at the door as they do not have anything to do with our internal legal system.
Secondly Manning knew what could occur if he got caught since he is required to learn the UCMJ.
powerofnarrative.blogspot.com...
"when one considers the genocide of Native Americans and the centuries-long practice of slavery, one appreciates that systematized, institutional torture is as American as sickeningly rancid, fatally poisoned apple pie."
powerofnarrative.blogspot.com...
And never forget the grave personal risk undertaken by Assange and those who work with him. As noted in the story above: "A US army intelligence analyst has been charged in connection with the video leak and Mr Assange has not visited the US since, fearing arrest." If you were to tell me that you could demonstrate that Assange is nothing more than an opportunistic seeker after glory, I would not believe you. I don't believe that mere opportunists run risks of this particular kind. And in another sense, I wouldn't care even if you could prove such a contention. Just as I will be demonstrating the importance of the leaks entirely apart from their specific content, Assange's repeated actions take on their own significance apart from his particular motivation. My evaluation of Assange's personal character might alter; my evaluation of the value and immense worth of his actions themselves would not.
Speaking of grave risks brings us to Bradley Manning. I urge you to read this story at Wired. As the direct result of Manning's (alleged) leaks of videos and documents to Wikileaks, Manning has been charged with eight violations of federal criminal law. If he is convicted on all eight charges, he faces up to 52 years in jail. Even now, Manning is under "pretrial confinement."
Bradley Manning is 22 years old. His life has barely begun. Due to the actions of our endlessly destructive and murderous Death State, his life may effectively already be over. Words that are far more damning than "evil" and "monstrous" are required to identify accurately the nature of the goddamned bastards who would condemn this young man to such a fate.
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
legal smeegal:
waterboarding is torture and is legal, so is the Murder Program 120 million bots voted for.
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
how's that working out for you?
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
if the victim of these "legal" practices is none other than yourself, or a loved one
i'll bet you'd sing a different tune.
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
"when one considers the genocide of Native Americans and the centuries-long practice of slavery, one appreciates that systematized, institutional torture is as American as sickeningly rancid, fatally poisoned apple pie."
If you are going to invoke native Americans would you please learn history? In case you dont know the US was not a country at the time Europeans arrived. That genocide started long before we were the United States of America. Again, learn history and stop trying to rewrite it to support your propoganda.
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
And never forget the grave personal risk undertaken by Assange and .... blah blah blah blah
Assange is a coward and nothing more.. Plain and simple.. He has a personal vendetta aginst the US and has stated such numerous times now. He has taken NO personal risk and trying to portray him as being in danger is assinine to say the least.
Manning was not charged because of the video.. He was charged because he accessed classified material and passed that info along to people who are not authorized to have it. Something Assange is doing himself by whoring himself out to media outlets while begging people for money for his own personal gains..
powerofnarrative.blogspot.com...
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
Speaking of grave risks brings us to Bradley Manning. I urge you to read this story at Wired. As the direct result of Manning's (alleged) leaks of videos and documents to Wikileaks, Manning has been charged with eight violations of federal criminal law. If he is convicted on all eight charges, he faces up to 52 years in jail. Even now, Manning is under "pretrial confinement."
Bradley Manning is 22 years old. His life has barely begun. Due to the actions of our endlessly destructive and murderous Death State, his life may effectively already be over. Words that are far more damning than "evil" and "monstrous" are required to identify accurately the nature of the goddamned bastards who would condemn this young man to such a fate.
The coward Manning is lucky they are not seeking the death penalty for aiding the enemy during a time of war. 52 years in my opinion is not enough time.. Ironically enough the very legal system he ignored is going out of its way to protect him and afford him his legal rights under the UCMJ.
If people are going to whine about Mannings conditions then take the time to learn how the UCMJ works and the fact people are notified of their diminished legal rights when joining the military. Joining is voluntary and they know what they are giving up prior to enlisting / being comissioned.
I hvae no issues with you citicising... Wnhat sad though is the fact you failed / refused to actually learn all sides of the equation before opning your mouth...
Just as Assange did...
Just as Manning did...
2 wrongs dont make a right, no matter how desparately you wisah they did in order to justify your position in support of the coward manning and the meglomaniac assange.edit on 23-11-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Cauliflower
Many of us on ATS are civilians and don't understand how they compartmentalize and classify sensitive information in the military? We understand that many of you signed rigorous non disclosure agreements before obtaining training that involved classified technology and protocols. Even if the secret later is declassified and someone else discusses it you can't talk about it because the non disclosure agreement lasts forever?
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
legal smeegal:
waterboarding is torture and is legal, so is the Murder Program 120 million bots voted for.
1-Not at the time of its use.. Something you and others seem to ignore. The UN does not crate US domestic law nor does it create laws under the UCMJ. So while the US is a signatory to CAT, the head money case made it, and all foreign treaties, subservient to the US Constitution and its legal system.
2-So no, its not legal smeegal.. 2aYou shoujld understand how it works before claiming something its not. 2bSecondly I suggest you learn how many people live in the United States, and how many are of voting age, and of that how many cast votes, and of that how many voted for one party or the other. You will find it comes no where close to 120 million.
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
how's that working out for you?
3-Just fine.. You should spend some time learning about the laws and country you are trying to ciriticise.. Maye if you did you would understand how its working out instead of burying your head under a pile of half truths and willful ignorance.
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
if the victim of these "legal" practices is none other than yourself, or a loved one
i'll bet you'd sing a different tune.
4-I have no desire to violate the oath I took, 5-where as Manning did. 6-I have no desire to act in a cowardly and self serving manner like Assange did. 7-If you arte going to try and seize the moral highground 7a-you should make sure your argument does not include illegal activity. Simply trying to downplay it while invoking an argument that does not apply to either individual (waterboarding / torture) again shosw just how off course and out of touch you are when it comes to the facts and laws governing this case.
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
"when one considers the genocide of Native Americans and the centuries-long practice of slavery, one appreciates that systematized, institutional torture is as American as sickeningly rancid, fatally poisoned apple pie."
If you are going to invoke native Americans would you please learn history? In case you dont know the US was not a country at the time Europeans arrived. That genocide started long before we were the United States of America. Again, learn history and stop trying to rewrite it to support your propoganda.
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
And never forget the grave personal risk undertaken by Assange and .... blah blah blah blah
Assange is a coward and nothing more.. Plain and simple.. He has a personal vendetta aginst the US and has stated such numerous times now. He has taken NO personal risk and trying to portray him as being in danger is assinine to say the least.
Manning was not charged because of the video.. He was charged because he accessed classified material and passed that info along to people who are not authorized to have it. Something Assange is doing himself by whoring himself out to media outlets while begging people for money for his own personal gains..
powerofnarrative.blogspot.com...
Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
Speaking of grave risks brings us to Bradley Manning. I urge you to read this story at Wired. As the direct result of Manning's (alleged) leaks of videos and documents to Wikileaks, Manning has been charged with eight violations of federal criminal law. If he is convicted on all eight charges, he faces up to 52 years in jail. Even now, Manning is under "pretrial confinement."
Bradley Manning is 22 years old. His life has barely begun. Due to the actions of our endlessly destructive and murderous Death State, his life may effectively already be over. Words that are far more damning than "evil" and "monstrous" are required to identify accurately the nature of the goddamned bastards who would condemn this young man to such a fate.
The coward Manning is lucky they are not seeking the death penalty for aiding the enemy during a time of war. 52 years in my opinion is not enough time.. Ironically enough the very legal system he ignored is going out of its way to protect him and afford him his legal rights under the UCMJ.
If people are going to whine about Mannings conditions then take the time to learn how the UCMJ works and the fact people are notified of their diminished legal rights when joining the military. Joining is voluntary and they know what they are giving up prior to enlisting / being comissioned.
I hvae no issues with you citicising... Wnhat sad though is the fact you failed / refused to actually learn all sides of the equation before opning your mouth...
Just as Assange did...
Just as Manning did...
2 wrongs dont make a right, no matter how desparately you wisah they did in order to justify your position in support of the coward manning and the meglomaniac assange.edit on 23-11-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)