Libertarians, Start Building Your House.

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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Now is the time for Libertarians to start working.

Many people think I am a Republican. I am not. I am a Constitutional Conservative.

I supported Anyone But Obama who had any chance of winning against him. I was flamed a lot, mostly by Obama supporters and a lot by Ron Paul supporters.

Let’s get this straight. Just because I though Ron Paul was incompetent doesn’t mean I didn’t support the Libertarians. Ron Paul is not a good Libertarian representative. Neither was Gary Johnson.

I recently started a thread called Libertarians Building a House.. I got flamed because the RP supporters didn’t understand there was no support for their candidate and Obama would likely be re-elected. They had no foundation. I was right.

This country has changed demographically. The population makeup has changed. The Republican party refuses to understand that simple fact. The Democrats did understand. They understood that it was easy to buy votes buy votes from the “have nots” and lazies. They understood that most college students are educated by socialist professors. (I refuse to use the term “Progressive.”). They realized that many people get by through cheating on exams, cheating on welfare, cheating on disability, robberies, and dealing drugs. These people were easy to get. Since they already lied, it was easy to sell them a lie as long as they gave them a mobile phone, an abortion, or birth control with it. It was easy to promise “Free” for those who wanted free. The Democrats bought power by trading “free” for “freedom.”

Democrats realized they could lie and get away with it by buying networks with “inside” information. They realized that morals have changed in this country. Abortion, gay marriage, theft, lying, and cheating are acceptable in today’s society. What was once considered immoral has now become acceptable. It was kind of like a bootleg flask during prohibition. Everybody was against liquor but everybody knew where to get their bottle.

The Republicans on the other hand, succumbed to the Evangelical Christians. I am not an anti-religious nut nor am I a religious nut. What the Republicans tried to do was force their religious beliefs (abortion and gay marriage) on everybody. I don’t care what people do in their bedroom. To me, being gay is something one was born with. Abortion is a choice. That I do believe should have some limitations. However, the Republicans want everybody to see things their way. Choose the way of God they say. Some people don’t believe in God. Some people think they are God. Some people think they are better than God.

Mitt Romney tried to run on a fiscal policy. Of course that isn’t going to work with those who want and depend on free stuff. That is about 43 percent of our population. I am not counting Social Security or military retirement. I am speaking of food stamps (for years), baby making machines, welfare fraud and insane things like giving money to Saudi Arabia for improvements or money to the Taliban and Al Quada. However, the free stuff maintained the Democratic base.

Let’s look at the election. Obama got 60+ million votes. Romney got 57+ million votes. Obama won by a 2 percent margin and has already declared it a mandate. Since he never gave us a platform we will have to wait until we see what we mandated. Kind of like ObamaCare.

Now the Republican Party is talking of splitting. Some going more conservative and some going less conservative. Either way, they are not going to get the Democratic Free Stuff base nor are they going to get the Libertarians. Now the apple is ripe to pick.

What this means is that the Democrats will control the House of Representatives in 2014. Obama will have total control as he did in 2008. He has declared himself a mandate with a 2% victory margin. What will he do now that he knows he has total control?

Now is the time for Libertarians to start building their house from the foundation up. Now is the time for Libertarians to begin to take over the Republican Party. Now is the time for Libertarians to force their platform on the Republicans. Don’t think for a minute that the Libertarians can rally enough economic support to become a viable party. They got 1 percent. That is 0.01 percent of the vote. Do you want to see a Libertarian debate Rosie O’Donnell on Larry King or do you want to see a Libertarian on stage debating Hillary Clinton? (Clinton is the next Democratic Candidate.)

Here is a website listing the Libertarian contacts in your state. Libertarian Party by State

Now is the time to get working. Don’t let the current Libertarians tell you how to vote. Tell them how to select viable local candidates. Then push them on the Republican party locally. Give them support. Give them money. The Libertarians must change their outlook also. A Libertarian Party is a good foundation to force Republicans to join the party in principle; a coalition so to speak.

We will never get those who want things for free. That is who you are fighting against. We will get those who want a sound fiscal policy but by pushing Libertarian candidates at the Republican local and state level, we can get rid of the gay issue and abortion issue from the Republican platform which stopped a reasonable fiscal policy from being implemented.

This is our country. Let’s take it back if it is not too late.


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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Conservatism's well of optimism is running drier by the year. But let me cut to the chase here. What "changes" must Libertarians be willing to accept?



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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Please expound upon why Paul and Johnson were poor representatives of the Liberal movement. I might get heavily involved in the party, I might even run for a seat, but I agree with 95% of everything Paul stands for, so where am I seeing him wrong?



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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(beezzer rolling up his sleeves)

Reporting for duty, sir.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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Well, we conservatives have to figure something out. Elsewise, we'll be run out of the country. And I love it here! Especially during the fall


Anyways, yep. Time to put economics and foreign policy in the forefront and stop trying to dictate morality and such. Also... Libertarian is a long name... anyone think of a good acronym for it? LTR, perhaps; actually, no... that would be misinterpreted as "Learn to Read", heh.

So yes OP... let's fix this thing.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Kovenov
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Conservatism's well of optimism is running drier by the year. But let me cut to the chase here. What "changes" must Libertarians be willing to accept?


Isn't that YOUR choice?
It's not what Libertarians choose to accept.
It's about what you can force on the conservative party to accept.
It must be started locally.
When someone who is valid from the Libertarian party is interested in running, force them on the conservatives. No one is more conservative than Libertarians (I think.)


edit on 8-11-2012 by Nite_wing because: because: I thought clearer after having an adult beverage.[/



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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While I thoroughly disagree with you on everything in your little rant. I do agree with you that the Paulites are chasing windmills running for President and not focusing on starting at the local or State level. To get real change in American opinion it will take a State and a Party that can run that State successfully. To do that you have to Start locally.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by darkhorserider
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Please expound upon why Paul and Johnson were poor representatives of the Liberal movement. I might get heavily involved in the party, I might even run for a seat, but I agree with 95% of everything Paul stands for, so where am I seeing him wrong?


I have not stated Paul's ideals are wrong. He just cannot relate to the people well. He is a politician.
Get into politics. Go for it. Just know your principles. Spell them out for those who will listen. Get a Libertarian base and then get on the Republican ballot. Libertarians are not taken seriously. Major party candidates are.[

Ron Paul cannot clearly relate his ideas to the illiterate masses. Gary Johnson is not much better. Yes, much of the population doesn't give a damn as long as they don't understand.

If you can garner enough Libertarians to lead to a significant voting group, the Rep. party has to listen. Obama only won by 2%, 1% in your voting district would make them listen if they were represented as a group on the local level. I see nothing good for the U.S. until 2020. If we survive, we must take action and begin now.

The Republicans have to change their agenda. I heard today that there were 3 million Republicans who didn't vote because they thought Romney became too moderate. I know people that voted for Obama for one single issue rather than the good of the entire country.

The issue is freedom. Not platforms.

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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excellent post. Indeed the Progressives are peddling free stuff in exchange for freedom and liberty. They are saying hand over your guns and your liberty and we will take care of you cradle to grave. We will pay for your healthcare, we will tell you how to eat, we will tell you not to smoke or drink and tax you on these things to show you how much we care about you. We will promote more of the surveillance society and say it is fascist conservatives doing it. We will grope you with TSA at the airports if you refuse to be irradiated with backscatter machines.
We will arrest you if you sell raw milk because we love regulations that protect you. We will give you free stuff if you just abort your children for our depopulation and eugenics programs. We will tell you how much water you may consume through Agenda 21 because we care about the planet.

It just goes on and on. It is frightening.
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:39 PM
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I think you understand.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by darkhorserider
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Please expound upon why Paul and Johnson were poor representatives of the Liberal movement. I might get heavily involved in the party, I might even run for a seat, but I agree with 95% of everything Paul stands for, so where am I seeing him wrong?


I do believe you are confusing Liberal with Libertarian. They are not the same, although they might have been when the Constitution was drafted. Classical Liberalism is not the same as Progressive marxism.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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Explanation: S&F!

I provide here some maps so we don't all get lost ok ...









It is wise to have a polical compass!


Personal Disclosure: I am a bitter communist!



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Nice charts. Good compass except for the Democratic Party. They are higher on the Authoritarian scale. now.

Most Communists are bitter.
Socialists are bitter.
Progressives are bitter.

Come over to the light. You will be welcomed.
But, know what you will be standing for before you do. It's called Freedom. We would like to legalize it again
edit on 8-11-2012 by Nite_wing because: I slowed down on the adult beverages.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by Nite_wing




Ron Paul cannot clearly relate his ideas to the illiterate masses. Gary Johnson is not much better. Yes, much of the population doesn't give a damn as long as they don't understand.



I hope you do run for a seat in the Libertarian party just so I can watch Gary Johnson clean your clock.

Gov. Gary already has constituents and a strong following; I'm one of em; but were not adverse to listening to anyone; even people that diss Gov. Gary. What are your qualifications might I ask?

btw ...you are a little late to the house building; we've been at it for over a year and we don't need to pander to the GOP for support. The GOP is obsolete and melting down. Why would we want to associate with a bunch of losers?

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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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Gary Johnson got 1% of the vote. Not very outstanding.
You are still working on the roof.

There are several things of mine Gary Johnson can clean but my clock is not one of them.

To answer your question.
Bachelors' Degree
Majored in Political Science
Majors in Psychology and Sociology.
15 years as a police officer, undercover narcotics, violent crime squad, bomb technician.
Admitted to practice law in two states. Practiced both criminal prosecution and defense.

Anything I missed?
edit on 8-11-2012 by Nite_wing because: I got pi$$ed after I thought about it.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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Double post
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:01 PM
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This religious stuff is always so confusing.

Thanks OL for the graph.

Saves me from having to read all of their bible's.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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You have Barack Obama on the right? Have you lost a part of your frontal lobe? Oh wait you are communist, I guess the Fabian Obama is to the right of you.



posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by Nite_wing
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Gary Johnson got 1% of the vote. Not very outstanding.
You are still working on the roof.

There are several things of mine Gary Johnson can clean but my clock is not one of them.

To answer your question.
Bachelors' Degree
Majored in Political Science
Majors in Psychology and Sociology.
15 years as a police officer, undercover narcotics, violent crime squad, bomb technician.
Admitted to practice law in two states. Practiced both criminal prosecution and defense.



Impressive, but I get the feeling you want to swing the Libertarians back to the GOP rather than build
the Libertarian party. No thanks! The GOP lost because they don't understand the changing demographic.
We do and realize that change is good and necessary and want no part of Republican Christian elitist ideology. We are actually the big tent party and the GOP just set their tent on fire and have no place to go.
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posted on Nov, 8 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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Explanation: St*rred!

I would indeed like to become my polar extreme!


But that way out is apparently locked up with annual local land rates and council taxes and paying them entitles one to be on the council and vote for amount those fee's taxes and rates are set at.

This of course sets up the landowners as those in charge over eveone else who doesn't have or can't afford land and with out land one doesn't have any identity!

That isn't freedom!


Communism isn't freedom either ... but at least it isn't hiding it behind some veil of Banking $ecrecy aka B$!


Personal Disclosure: @Everybody ok ...

None of the pictures linked are my creations at all .. I just found them on google images and they provided a range of websites and therefor independantly from each other somewhat confirm that Ron Paul is indeed a libertarian ok. :shk:






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