Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by darkhorserider
reply to post by Nite_wing
Please expound upon why Paul and Johnson were poor representatives of the Liberal movement. I might get heavily involved in the party, I might even
run for a seat, but I agree with 95% of everything Paul stands for, so where am I seeing him wrong?
I do believe you are confusing Liberal with Libertarian. They are not the same, although they might have been when the Constitution was drafted.
Classical Liberalism is not the same as Progressive marxism.
Honest question, please tell me the difference.
My stance is that much of the extreme Liberal agenda, like legalizing MJ and Prostitution are really Conservative values, because they take government
out of our lives and limit its role. Pro-choice = conservative, because it limits government's role. I don't agree with abortion, but I believe we
should attack it from other angles, not making it illegal (except I just can't support 3rd trimester abortions for any reason other than to save the
mother's life. Those really should be illegal.).
Now, when looking at Social Programs, maybe a Liberatarian and a Liberal drastically part ways. I believe a basic welfare system, and a basic
unemployment system are probably necessary, but they should be extremely limited in scope, and they should be extremely temporary benefits, not career
choices. 13 weeks max for unemployment, and 12 months max for Welfare. I don't believe the Social Security system is necessary, but since so many
have paid into it and counted on it, it would have to be phased out over 30 years, it couldn't end abrupty. I don't believe the government should
be enforcing child support cases. Basically I think the Title IV stuff needs to be gutted down to bare bones.
Primary and Secondary education need to be handled at the State Level, but I don't see anything wrong with Federally backed Student Loans, as long as
they only cover tuition and are not abused to the point of people graduating with $100k in debt and a worthless degree in Criminology, LOL!
I do believe the government has a role in Federal Standards like Weights and Measures, and FDA, and USDA, but they need to concentrate in areas that
make sense, not shutting down little grandmas selling raw milk, but in making sure Bayer Aspirin is what it says it is on the bottle, and it isn't
polluting the Mississippi with the byproducts.
SO, do I fit in as Libertarian, or a Liberal?