Originally posted by Koros
Are you really ignorant enough to think this has anything to do with making some BS political statement? Really, you believe that crap?
Originally posted by HauntWok
reply to post by Koros
You just don't get it, do you? This is why Obama ultimately won, people like you and your "damn the rich for having money" mentality, espoused
while having ZERO clue about how businesses run. You think the economy was bad before? Just wait, it's about to get a whole lot worse.
It's actually YOU who appear ignorant. Companies that lay off people because they are too scared about the economy are the problem.
What this country needs to do is to reject companies that lay off people because of who is in office and start supporting companies that hire when
times are tough and have actually expanded their business during a recession.
We should track companies that lay off employees because of who is in office and boycott their products and services and give that business instead to
their competitors who aren't trying to make a political statement with people's jobs.
No, the economy will recover, it has already started to recover, it's time that people help this recovery along instead of trying to hijack the
political process by artificially stagnating the economy over petty political differences.
Companies are laying off people because they have to have the money to pay the higher taxes that are coming down the pipeline from Obama (particularly
in the form of Obamacare).
Companies only lay off people if somethng is going wrong. More taxes less taxes, if they hired the right amount of people, then they turn a profit. If
they fire people, than the people they dont have dont turn a profit and the company has less profits.
If a company is fiering people, its because buisness is bad and workers are idle, or 2 workers are doing the job one worker is doing. If they fire
people while fully booked, then they cant satisfy customer demand.
Sure those who employ can tantrum fire, fire people although it hurts their bottom line, but at some point they have to cut their own flesh and lose
out on business they could have or they have to come to their senses. I know of no company who hired so many hands that workers have it easy shmeasy
at work, so if the place is jumping, they cant really fire anyone, not without replacing him.
We need food and shelter, so we need to work, we can threaten not to work unless higher wages, but in the end the employer knows we have to work and
Same for employers. They want that profit. Companies higher just as many people as they need to begin with, they can hold the jobs hostage and say no
taxes or we fire. But in the end they want that profit, they NEED it, if hiering more hands means more profit, they will, whether they are taxed at 9%
or 90% and they will only higher more people if they really need them to expand for more profit, whether they are taxed at 9% or 90% .
If taxes and health care mean more money will end up in more hands, it means rising prospects for business. You can set yourself up, to compete for a
share of the additional money the population has, or you can tantrum fire, because taxes and sideline your business.
Originally posted by freedomwv
It is clear to me that this is an attempt by the capitalist to punish the common worker for not voting in the interest of the capitalist class. It is
very important for the Unions to be very strong during this time. The Unions must show the owners of production that laying off workers will not work
as a way to force the agenda of profit at all cost; regardless of the effect it will have on society. The workers must stand together and show the
capitalist class that regardless of who is elected, the demands and exceptions of the workers will remain the same.
There is no need to be very strong. Just as companies dont need to be strong in the face of outrageous wage demands, because eventually we will turn
hungry and take that job, companies want profits and for the time being, they need people for that. Like I said before, regardless of what the tax
rate is, companies only higher what they need to begin with. If they imply the firing is because Obama won, dont fall for it, surplus hands get laid
off wether the president is a rep or dem, just like they wont fire anyone without replacing him, if it cuts into their profits.
We need to eat and have to settle, but they need that profit and if its less profit because of higher taxes they will higher you anyway, because
getting less profit out of you is better than getting no profit out of you.
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by Indigo5
I tend to listen to what the business people are saying, rather than policy wonks.
I guess we'll see what history says.
What is very very good for a business isnt necessarily good for the economy. Quite the opposite. It can be terminal for the economy.
Lets legalese slave labor (not just the blacks, everyone), it is very very good for your business in the short therm. All those wages you payed? They
are your profit now. But guess what, other companies start using slave labor too. Now the money in the economy starts drying up, because nobody earns
a wage anymore, now nobody has money to spend on your buisness anymore and poof, you are out of buisness.
The good of the economy trumps the good of the business, because when the economy tanks, so will your buisness. But many people cant make the
distinction between economy and business and I am sure a good amount cant even follow what I laid out here.
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Originally posted by macman
reply to post by jimmyx
His Pro Business policies, like lower Taxes and 0bamacare repeal would have created better economic conditions for businesses.
This is not new, and to ask this question over and over again just shows ignorance.
When the Govt has an anti business stance, business will retract.
Not rocket science.
You are wrong. It isnt low taxes and no healthcare for employees feeding buisnessess, it is and always will be the consumer. A consumer with money in
his hand will buy what he likes, so any measure that emboldens the consumer strengthens the economy. If you can expand to make more profits you will
higher more people, whether your profits are taxed at 5% or 90%, if more hands mean more money to you, you will higher more hands, unless you prefer
to take a loss to get back at the democrats. By the same token if your buisness is tanking you lay off people, even if your tax rate is 0 across the
board and your business tanks because people dont have money to do business with you, assuming they want what you offer.
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